Jays interested in Guerrero?

[Attonitus]

Guerrero will hit the free agent market this winter and while he won't sign another $80 million contract, he is expected to garner interest from a few teams.

The Angels, Mariners, White Sox, Tigers and Blue Jays could be among the slugger's suitors, according to MLB Trade Rumors.

http://baseball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ ... _guerrero/

I hope it's not true, he would have been a great pick up 5 years ago but he's way to fragile at this point, therefore if JP remains as GM he will probably give him another 80 mil to come here despite the fact this team is in some quasi-rebuilding stage.

[tsherkin]

Funny, in the games he played this year, he was hitting about .300 and on-pace for 27 homers (over 162 games that he'd never have played)... Who do we know that does that?

That's what he managed in 140-something games last year, too. If he's healthy, he's good for 25-30 homers on a .300 BA, and would be a nice (if injury-prone) addition to our lineup if we don't overpay. We've been talking about adding a bat and about spending money. I just hope this doesn't turn into Frank Thomas part two.

[Duffman100]

Blow it up and rebuild! Enough with the veterans!

[tsherkin]

Rebuild around what? With our amazingly deep farm system? With the huge returns we'll get back for Wells?

If we were going to do that, we should have taken Boston's offer for Doc.

[Duffman100]

Rebuild around what? With our amazingly deep farm system? With the huge returns we'll get back for Wells?

If we were going to do that, we should have taken Boston's offer for Doc.

You have to start rebuilding at some point! might as well go through the growing pains now. We have a decently young pitching core...deal Halladay for 3rd base or SS prospect. What's the point in staying in this treadmill crappiness....

[tsherkin]

You have to start rebuilding at some point! might as well go through the growing pains now. We have a decently young pitching core...deal Halladay for 3rd base or SS prospect. What's the point in staying in this treadmill crappiness....

You're missing my point; if we were going to rebuild, we should have done it with the Boston deal. If we can get that deal again, then we take it and start moving assets for prospects and young major league talent.

But consider: what assets do we have? Doc, Overbay and Wells.

V-Scrub won't get us anything right now, he's almost completely untradeable until he has a decent season, then we take three nickels on the dollar and get rid of him if we're lucky. Ryan's still on the books and Overbay isn't going to bring in a serious piece in return, even prospect-wise (which makes it almost worth it to just keep him).

That leaves us Doc, and there's no way that there is one prospect on 3rd or at short that will be a quality return for the best pitcher in baseball.

[Duffman100]

You have to start rebuilding at some point! might as well go through the growing pains now. We have a decently young pitching core...deal Halladay for 3rd base or SS prospect. What's the point in staying in this treadmill crappiness....

You're missing my point; if we were going to rebuild, we should have done it with the Boston deal. If we can get that deal again, then we take it and start moving assets for prospects and young major league talent.

But consider: what assets do we have? Doc, Overbay and Wells.

V-Scrub won't get us anything right now, he's almost completely untradeable until he has a decent season, then we take three nickels on the dollar and get rid of him if we're lucky. Ryan's still on the books and Overbay isn't going to bring in a serious piece in return, even prospect-wise (which makes it almost worth it to just keep him).


That leaves us Doc, and there's no way that there is one prospect on 3rd or at short that will be a quality return for the best pitcher in baseball.

But you're missing MY point! We might as well get started, because what's the point of next season. Deal Doc for whatever you can now, regardless if you can get the Boston deal. You might as well get something for him...because if you get nothing, that's awful. We are going to be awful again next year, regardless, we might as well start down the path now so we're better set up to deal with it in 11/12.

Next year is a throw away year (again) so take some strides to start building the team.

[tsherkin]

But you're missing MY point! We might as well get started, because what's the point of next season. Deal Doc for whatever you can now, regardless if you can get the Boston deal. You might as well get something for him...because if you get nothing, that's awful. We are going to be awful again next year, regardless, we might as well start down the path now so we're better set up to deal with it in 11/12.

Next year is a throw away year (again) so take some strides to start building the team.

We might as well get started, I agree, but taking a bad return for Doc is not a good place to start.

"For whatever you can get" is not a good move, plain and simple. You don't start rebuilding by getting a weak return for your best asset, that's just unintelligent.

[Duffman100]

But you're missing MY point! We might as well get started, because what's the point of next season. Deal Doc for whatever you can now, regardless if you can get the Boston deal. You might as well get something for him...because if you get nothing, that's awful. We are going to be awful again next year, regardless, we might as well start down the path now so we're better set up to deal with it in 11/12.

Next year is a throw away year (again) so take some strides to start building the team.

We might as well get started, I agree, but taking a bad return for Doc is not a good place to start.

"For whatever you can get" is not a good move, plain and simple. You don't start rebuilding by getting a weak return for your best asset, that's just unintelligent.

So just let him walk in free agency for nothing? I think we just have to be a little less picky this offseason and take a deal.

[J-Roc]

This team desperately needs a power threat. Not even a guy who will necessarily hit homeruns all the time, but just a big guy who scares pitchers and forces them to throw Vernon fastballs down the middle.

[Dr Octagon]

Guerrero and Figgins.

Championship time.

[tsherkin]

So just let him walk in free agency for nothing? I think we just have to be a little less picky this offseason and take a deal.

Why go to that extreme? I told you, I think we should take a deal we've already been offered. I think we should be willing to do that, but not to take an obviously terrible deal.

[youngLion]

Vladdy could be a good pickup for 2 years, but he's no longer a long term answer in the outfield. This team could really use a good RFer (I'm not convinced that Snider is good enough defensively) with some pop, but Guerrero only has a few good seasons left. If team is going to go out and spend 130 mill on payroll so as to go for it in 2010 then that's fine, but otherwise I don't think Vlad is the ideal target.

[Raps in 4]

We should target him with a short term contract. Then we could send Wells to the bench or AAA.

[dennistokyo]

This team desperately needs a power threat. Not even a guy who will necessarily hit homeruns all the time, but just a big guy who scares pitchers and forces them to throw Vernon fastballs down the middle.

Indeed.

[Schad]

Vlad wouldn't be my first choice, honestly. He's DH-only at this point and declining (though still quite good), and I'm not sure the impact/dollar value is there...nor am I sure it would be for any 32-or-older player, as I'm not buying 2010 as our horizon for competitiveness.

It's true that wetting the bed on our draft picks this year changes things a little, because we have so many picks that losing a 2nd isn't a tragedy...however, because that'd be one of the picks we could play hardball with (as opposed to the use-'em-or-lose-'em carryovers) I'd rather not sacrifice it unless we're getting someone who'll still be good when we're hopefully good.

[LBJSeizedMyID]

With all these rumours I hear about a possible Matt Cain for Prince Fielder deal, I wonder if the idea has been floated around to offer Halladay for Prince. Yes the Jays lose their best pitcher, but bringing in the big bat instantly makes Wells better and have a pretty potent lineup, especially if you are able to snag Figgins. However, the Jays might be in the same position with such a young starting staff.

Brewers would probably reject this unless they can get Doc to agree to an extension. Just thinking out loud.

[Hoopstarr]

With all these rumours I hear about a possible Matt Cain for Prince Fielder deal, I wonder if the idea has been floated around to offer Halladay for Prince. Yes the Jays lose their best pitcher, but bringing in the big bat instantly makes Wells better and have a pretty potent lineup, especially if you are able to snag Figgins. However, the Jays might be in the same position with such a young starting staff.

Brewers would probably reject this unless they can get Doc to agree to an extension. Just thinking out loud.

Also, Doc has a full no-trade clause. He might waive it for Milwaukee but I doubt it if Fielder would be coming the other way.