Bring Back jax

[co_laper]

I don't think anyone is saying Jax is going to Denver. He didn't even list Denver as a place he wants to go to. You're the one that brought up Denver and I'm simply using your example.

Btw, it's funny how you say We as if you're all of the sudden a Nuggets fan yourself.

And I'm sorry man.. Pop has been quoted this summer that the spurs, who have been somewhat cheap for the past decade or two despite winning several championships, can't continue fielding a championship team that way and have to start spending money. All this while the Nuggets think they had their first success by trading Camby for cap relief and determined to stay cheap in order to get their 1st title.

I'm sorry man.. they brought back Birdman for cheap, i'll give you that cause I thought Bird would get an MLE deal from someone. but then you talk about bringing in Petro and Malik Allen for cheap as if they're worth anything more than the minimum and have a big role for that team.

Btw.. I'm done with this cause it's getting way off topic. I don't think Jax is going to Denver but I'm just saying I don't understand why the GS would trade Jax to SA for your proposed package and why the Spurs would want a 31 year old Jax back especially after Pop was quoted as saying Jefferson is Jax, without the Drama... Doesn't sound like he's eager to get Jax back or feel as if Jax puts us over the top.

We'll agree to disagree. Peace.

[old rem]

Do we have 8 mil worth of expirings? And I really don't think GS is interested in late first round picks. They can get a much better deal for that IMO.

I think GSW would take D Blair,filler and a pick in 2010 or maybe 2011.
An issue for GSW could be roster limits and who'd need to be bought out. If GSW traded Jackson for just junk....they'd send him to an East team.

After Blair's nice preseason......skip the pick and GSW can even add on CJ Watson or Acie Law.
Blair's knees may limit his minutes but even so,he'd be a nice role guy. I suspect by the time talks get far,Mr Blair screws it up by looking too good.

I'll give some thought to a possible 3 way. If GSW gets some useful PF depth and Finley as the $ fill guy...I'd be good with that.

[co_laper]

I agree.

The Spurs aren't likely to trade all that either.

The expiring contracts we have (if i'm not mistaken) is Roger Mason, Michael Finley, and Matt Bonner. those 3 guys equal to about 8 million so atleast 2 or all 3 of those guys have to be traded to match the salary.

Now, trade Matt Bonner away and you basically have only 2 proven frontcourt player in Duncan and McDyess. Not to mention GS (in this trade scenario) is asking for Blair also.

Then we trade Mason and Finley away to get Jax. that's another 2 rotation player in exchange for one.

Now, if this trade happen, forget about the health of the big 3 to get to the finals. we need the health of all 8 of our rotation players to be healthy because there won't be any guys to replace them if they get injured.

For instance, injuries to Dice means we're playing Ratliff 25 minutes or Mahinmi/Haislip for more minutes than they really should. Injuries to either Jax or Jefferson means we'll be relying on Marcus Williams or Hairston to play 25-30 minutes a game.

So basically we'd have to trade 3-4 rotation players and a draft pick just to get a 31 year old Jax which the Spurs only offered 3 year 10 mil deal in his younger days.

Players get their big payday based on potential when they're young. If the Spurs won't pony up more than 3 year 10 mil for a... what was it? 25 year old Jax? I doubt they'll pony up for the remaining 4 year and about 36 mil 31 year old jax.

[old rem]

When Jackson was with the Spurs he avg about 11 1/2 points. More recent he had a couple years at 18+ and a couple at 20+ with more than double the asst and numbers DO matter at contract time.

I looked at Salaries and a combo of Finley,Mason+ Blair would match. GSW then buys out Finley or Mason,who could return. If GSW kept Mason, the Spurs definitely keep any pick.

That's about all I can see. MAYBE GSW would settle for sending back Mason,getting Finley,Blair and just a rd 2. It's hard to say just how big of a priority saving some money is...or how lame this GM is.
I DOUBT that after basically giving away Crawford + Belinelli, GSW just chainsaws up the rest of the team.
No front office type wants "Weenie" to be what sums up his resume.

Then again....Nellie liked Jack and may veto most any trade...even a much better one. Hard to predict. For Spurs? Well...Jack is damn versatile but was not very efficient. With Pops + Duncan...I'd expect that changes. Spurs need to win while Duncan is still in his prime,and in terms of the trade chips he'd cost...kind of a steal. Unlikely but possible.

[old rem]

I don't really see GSW trading Wright unless for a pretty special young PF. Wright was a lotto, got the low priority treatment Nellie has put on bigs since the days of Tyrone Hill + Chris Gatling. About the time Wright is starting,Gasol damn near rips his arm off. Wright had a hight pt per 48 than Randolph,Morrow,Azubuike...or for that matter..Derrick Rose. Some fans or media thik he's in the doghouse but I rather doubt it.

Acie Law will be a victim of numbers. He won't get many minutes to impress.

As for the Spurs being in the West......GSW can't expect to win the West for at least a few years and That's about when Duncan,Ginobli,Jackson are in their twilight. The next 2-3 yrs..not much of an issue. Trading a YOUNG guy like Biedrins or Ellis to one of the Wests older teams would be DUMB.

[TiMVP]

i want him back bad but we can't really pull it off
def one of my favorite players in the league though

[Mylie10]

Nellie stated yesterday that they'd try to trade Jackson if it made sense for the Warriors. He wants a good player coming back. but also said that if it were expirings they'd have to think about it. Bottom line it has to make sense for the Warriors, not just a dump.

As for Brandan Wright, Nellie was raving about him yesterday and said he looks great. He's running really well and has added bulk. The kid is gonna be really good at some point. He was starting last year prior to the shoulder separation.

Hopefully the kids off the table, but with Nellie you never know.

Jack makes sense for any team wanting to push for a championship. He only makes 7 mil this year so it's not a huge number. Teams like Dallas, Houston, Cleveland, Spurs, The Heat, and Denver all make sense.

Every team needs a super sixth man. Jack averaged over 20, with 6.5 assists. Those are damn good numbers. But the down side was turnovers and low shooting percentage.

One thing I will say that contributed to those good and bad numbers for Jack was not having monta Ellis around. Jack was the primary ballhandler.

You get Jack in a situation where he's the 4th best player on the team and you're in really goos shape. He's tough as hell, can defend when rested, and makes his biggest shots when the game's on the line.

[old rem]

Well.. Again, if the idea is that GS Front Office will do stupid trades, then it's hard to argue anything on this.

But as far as Denver's situation, I'm not a fan of theirs but here's what I can't understand unless Denver's FO is also stupid. There's a bunch of those FO around the league. .

Denver, who got to the WCF last year, and is badly in need of a SG/SF with the departure of Dahntay Jones and Kleiza, WILL NOT want Stephen Jackson basically for free while the Spurs do?

Thank you.

There's a lot of Jackson talk and 1/3 seem to be assuming GSW's front office is happy to do something totally damaging and pointless. Well...they are sub-par relative to a sharp front office IMHO...but there's deals your house pet would turn down. Fluffy the hamster won't take Peja and Mo Pete for Jackson+ Maggette...2 guys who can still play 35 min and score 20+. Mo Pete can hardly play and even if healthy,Peja (BIG $) is a zero on D at SF. C'mon....

Jackson IS going at a discount. He CAN score/pass/D. Your coach needs to have the skills to know how much leash to give him. Jack is an adrenalin guy and an intense competitor and if you let him build up steam he will try to do too much or get too aggressive/reckless. If you play him 40+ min...he won't pace himself and will be burned out. Jack just had career highs in many areas..yet had a lot of turnovers,shot a mediocre %. He won't be the Point for SA and won't be #1 option and can be kept to 35 min.....which will work.

Generally if I'm GSW I don't trade quality young players to the west's "old Guard" the Spurs,Suns,Mavs,Jazz. We aim to contend as those teams slip and start to rebuild. Trading a veteran to those teams,I can do. The windows of opportunity are different.

In the context of Real GM.....if the premise is that a team's brain trust <<the 3 Stooges...how can we even evaluate a deal? We just say...whatever? Kind of mucks up the premise of evaluating a deal if "par" is a loot & plunder. again...nice to see someone "GETS IT".

[Sid the Squid]

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Ginobili!!

[old rem]

Manu is as old +expensive as Jack...and more injury risk. It's possible,though Manu really is not what GSW mostly needs. I think if the Spurs are willing....it's based on doubts he's still the same player (which should make GSW suspicious)

[Blame Rasho]

There is a reason why the Spurs wanted to pay Manu and not Stephen...