Kahn on Antonio Daniels and other matters

[Devilzsidewalk]

why would anybody actively seek out Daniels as their backup PG after last year's debacle? he looks done, 3rd PG on the Wolves sounds about right for him.

[shrink]

What about Daniels for Szczerbiak(S&T, 3Y-16M...just enough to fit under the 125%+100,000 rule, 2nd and third years are team options, essentially an expiring). We could also send you cash and a future 2nd rounder or the rights to one of our overseas guys(Emir Predlzic)?

Pretty smart idea there IBWT! I doubt it would even cost you a 2nd. It sounds like Kahn simply wants to help Daniels out and move him someplace he could play, and if the deal doesn't hurt the Wolves, they'd be OK with it.

Wouldn't the Cavs say no though? Adding Szczerbiak or Daniels means they have to pay double for every dollar, since they are already over the lux.

[B Calrissian]

If half the point of trading him is so he can get minutes I don't see how LA, CHI, or HOU would be good fits at all.
LA has Fish, Farmar, and Brown.
HOU has Brooks and Lowry.
CHI has Rose and Kirk "would you trade a fake expiring for me?" Hinrich. Plus JJ is covered by insurance, I think.

I like the Boston idea though. Who is their back up PG right now? Eddie House?

* I forgot that they signed Marquis Daniels.. So there wouldn't be many minutes for AD in Boston either.

Remember Daniels can play some two as well. CHI lost Ben Gordon and he could possibly pick up a few of his minutes behind Rose/Kirk/Salmons. (Although Daniels vs either Pargo or L Hunter is close to a toss up.)


LA could use him at PG. Fisher is done. Farmar's confidence is shot, he's not viewed a significant piece to them anymore (at least to most hardcore fans.) BOS still could use a back up PG as Marquis is not a point. I'm not saying they are great ideas but I think LAL or BOS are the most conceivable.

edit - with Delonte West apparently going off the deep end, CLE becomes a viable candidate.

I don't see Daniels getting any minutes on the Bulls no matter what spot (pg/sg) he plays.
And Pargo is alot better than Daniels at this point.

Ha, Fisher done? Then what would you call Daniels?

I didn't say M.Daniels was a point. He can however handle playing pg for brief periods. Regardless of that, he is the perfect fit next to House. They also have Ray Allen who can play spot minutes at pg. All of those players, out of position or not, are better options than Antonio Daniels.

I swear you think we traded for the Antonio Daniels from 04-05.

[Narf]

Daniels is a SF now? Huh? Hinrich today is like a rich man's version of what Daniels was in his prime. No reason for the Bulls to trade for Daniels.

Are you playing dumb on purpose?

Have you looked at Chicago's depth chart? John Salmons, Luol Deng, James Johnson (rookie) are their SFs and John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich (6'3), and Jannero Pargo (6'1) are their 3 SGs. If Deng gets injured, Salmons becomes their 1 legit SF along side a rookie with Hinrich backing up the PG spot while playing SG. On the other hand, if Hinrich goes down they have 38 year old Lindsey Hunter backing them up at PG with Pargo as emergency backup, and no SG depth. If they have 1 injury at PG, SG, or SF they are bare bones thin. If they have 2 injuries, they're basically screwed.

This is a depth move, what part of that doesn't make sense?

[B Calrissian]

Daniels is a SF now? Huh? Hinrich today is like a rich man's version of what Daniels was in his prime. No reason for the Bulls to trade for Daniels.

Are you playing dumb on purpose?

Have you looked at Chicago's depth chart? John Salmons, Luol Deng, James Johnson (rookie) are their SFs and John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich (6'3), and Jannero Pargo (6'1) are their 3 SGs. If Deng gets injured, Salmons becomes their 1 legit SF along side a rookie with Hinrich backing up the PG spot while playing SG. On the other hand, if Hinrich goes down they have 38 year old Lindsey Hunter backing them up at PG with Pargo as emergency backup, and no SG depth. If they have 1 injury at PG, SG, or SF they are bare bones thin. If they have 2 injuries, they're basically screwed.

This is a depth move, what part of that doesn't make sense?

Have you looked at Chicago's depth chart?

Salmons will be playing a lot more sg than sf. They have a good 3 guard rotation of Rose/Hinrich/Salmons with Pargo and Hunter playing few, if any minutes. At sf they have Deng, Johnson, and I would bet money that Tyrus Thomas sees time as a sf this year.

If any team has 2 injuries to rotation players they are in trouble.

*and am I reading your post correctly.. Did you really imply that Hunter will play before Pargo?

[john2jer]

Daniels is a SF now? Huh? Hinrich today is like a rich man's version of what Daniels was in his prime. No reason for the Bulls to trade for Daniels.

Are you playing dumb on purpose?

Have you looked at Chicago's depth chart? John Salmons, Luol Deng, James Johnson (rookie) are their SFs and John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich (6'3), and Jannero Pargo (6'1) are their 3 SGs. If Deng gets injured, Salmons becomes their 1 legit SF along side a rookie with Hinrich backing up the PG spot while playing SG. On the other hand, if Hinrich goes down they have 38 year old Lindsey Hunter backing them up at PG with Pargo as emergency backup, and no SG depth. If they have 1 injury at PG, SG, or SF they are bare bones thin. If they have 2 injuries, they're basically screwed.

This is a depth move, what part of that doesn't make sense?

Insert jackass.

I'm trying to figure out what in the heck a 35 year old broken down PG has to do with SF depth. Here's the comment you made:

And I don't know why but I forgot about Jerome James insurance again. Daniels is a good fit there though. He is a combo guard and solid insurance for injury. They have very little depth at SG and SF and Hinrich and Deng are their most injury prone players.

Salmons, Johnson, and Deng all will get minutes at SF. Tyrus Thomas will likely get a couple minutes there as well. And as has already been mentioned, Daniels is a PG. So what does trading away JJ's insurance covered deal for Daniels have to do with SF depth? If you're thinking that everyone's going to have to shift up and Daniels covers the small holes left, wouldn't it be smarter to just sign someone for the minimum out of the D-League than pay out of pocket $5.28mil for Antonio Daniels?

Maybe instead of being a jackass you should try making some sense.

[GopherIt!]

I don't see Daniels getting any minutes on the Bulls no matter what spot (pg/sg) he plays.
And Pargo is alot better than Daniels at this point.

Ha, Fisher done? Then what would you call Daniels?

I didn't say M.Daniels was a point. He can however handle playing pg for brief periods. Regardless of that, he is the perfect fit next to House. They also have Ray Allen who can play spot minutes at pg. All of those players, out of position or not, are better options than Antonio Daniels.

I swear you think we traded for the Antonio Daniels from 04-05.

I think u misinterpreted what I was going for. I don't know how many minutes he will actually get. I was thinking of him as a bottom of the rotation guy at best.

I listed Rose/hinrich/Salmons but they have possibly 3-5 guys getting burn at the guard spots. Daniels could possibly give them a little more depth at the bottom end especially if Kirk gets hurt again. That's all I was saying.

Lakers need a PG bad. Fish is done. Farmar sucks. Not saying he will bounce back and play a ton but I'd be more comfortable with Daniels on the court than Fish hands down.

I think BOS could use a true back up PG. Maybe he's not a good option, I don't know, but he could certainly eat up the crumbs they gave to Marbury and scrubs like Walker/Pruitt last year.

[B Calrissian]

I think u misinterpreted what I was going for. I don't know how many minutes he will actually get. I was thinking of him as a bottom of the rotation guy at best.

I listed Rose/hinrich/Salmons but they have possibly 3-5 guys getting burn at the guard spots. Daniels could possibly give them a little more depth at the bottom end especially if Kirk gets hurt again. That's all I was saying.

Lakers need a PG bad. Fish is done. Farmar sucks. Not saying he will bounce back and play a ton but I'd be more comfortable with Daniels on the court than Fish hands down.

I think BOS could use a true back up PG. Maybe he's not a good option, I don't know, but he could certainly eat up the crumbs they gave to Marbury and scrubs like Walker/Pruitt last year.

I think you misinterpreted what the team is going for. Saving money and getting Daniels minutes. Why trade him to a team that has no minutes available for him?

Bulls.. sure they could use another scrub guard. But as J2J pointed out, why trade JJ for Daniels and miss out on JJ's insurance money..

Lakers.. seriously? First of all, how on earth can you say that Fish is done yet Daniels is capable of playing? Second, the Lakers need their pg to be able to shoot. Fish can shoot, Daniels cannot.

Boston.. as I said before, Marquis Daniels.. Marquis Daniels.. Marquis Daniels.. He will be eating those crumbs. Why do you think they could use a true back up point? Because KG, Pierce, and Allen are players that can't initiate the offense?

[Klomp]

Newly acquired Antonio Daniels has been given permission to find a trade to another team where the veteran guard can play more and if he can’t, the Wolves and the former New Orleans Hornet already have agreed to a buyout of his expiring $6.6 million contract.

The Wolves now will search for another point guard who can provide depth behind Jonny Flynn and Ramon Sessions.

Daniels met with David Kahn Thursday and express his desire to play elsewhere. Daniels, 34, hopes to land one more sizable NBA contract and didn’t figure he’d get enough playing time behind Flynn and Sessions to do so.

http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs/wolves/

[younggunsmn]

if daniels is bought out shrink is going to hate it.
this would drastically cut our expirings to deal.
it would leave only cardinal, wilkins, and pavlovic. = about 11.8 million

i don't understand it unless the buyout is more significant than the vet min for daniels because we are going to have to bring in a 3rd PG and pay him, negating the value gained in the buyout.

[Narf]

Everything in this post was already answered.

And I don't know why but I forgot about Jerome James insurance again. Daniels is a good fit there though. He is a combo guard and solid insurance for injury. They have very little depth at SG and SF and Hinrich and Deng are their most injury prone players.

If you're thinking that everyone's going to have to shift up and Daniels covers the small holes left, wouldn't it be smarter to just sign someone for the minimum out of the D-League than pay out of pocket $5.28mil for Antonio Daniels?

John Salmons, Luol Deng, James Johnson (rookie) are their SFs and John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich (6'3), and Jannero Pargo (6'1) are their 3 SGs.

Salmons, Johnson, and Deng all will get minutes at SF. Tyrus Thomas will likely get a couple minutes there as well. And as has already been mentioned, Daniels is a PG. So what does trading away JJ's insurance covered deal for Daniels have to do with SF depth?

If Deng gets injured, Salmons becomes their 1 legit SF along side a rookie with Hinrich backing up the PG spot while playing SG. On the other hand, if Hinrich goes down they have 38 year old Lindsey Hunter backing them up at PG with Pargo as emergency backup, and no SG depth. If they have 1 injury at PG, SG, or SF they are bare bones thin. If they have 2 injuries, they're basically screwed.

Maybe instead of being a jackass you should try making some sense.

This is a depth move, what part of that doesn't make sense?

[jade_hippo]

maybe we can package Blount and Daniels to the Nets for Simmons and Hassell. i think that works under the cap. couldn't make it till November?

NJ canuse Blount, they have a lot of injury prone bigmen in Battie/Boone/Yi and Williams is always in the doghouse. Blount would be a good fit in the high post with Lopez manning the low post. Daniels will have to fight with CDR/Lee for time at the 2 and will never crack the court at the PG with Harris/Alston/Dooling, but he'd get a little burn.


MN can use Simmons for a little 3pt shooting and in case Ellington or Brewer aren't working or can't go. Hassell was here once and i think he wore out his welcome a bit. but he really wouldn't have much as far as expectations this time around.

lateral move for both teams since everyone expires, but i think the players all fit better on the other team.

[GopherIt!]

I think you misinterpreted what the team is going for. Saving money and getting Daniels minutes. Why trade him to a team that has no minutes available for him?

Bulls.. sure they could use another scrub guard. But as J2J pointed out, why trade JJ for Daniels and miss out on JJ's insurance money..

Lakers.. seriously? First of all, how on earth can you say that Fish is done yet Daniels is capable of playing? Second, the Lakers need their pg to be able to shoot. Fish can shoot, Daniels cannot.

Boston.. as I said before, Marquis Daniels.. Marquis Daniels.. Marquis Daniels.. He will be eating those crumbs. Why do you think they could use a true back up point? Because KG, Pierce, and Allen are players that can't initiate the offense?

Damn dude, you getting all worked up over nothing. These were very minor proposals (really just made to get the discussion going) - nothing worth getting into a big argument about. We disagree. Can we leave it at that?

[john2jer]

Everything in this post was already answered.

And I don't know why but I forgot about Jerome James insurance again. Daniels is a good fit there though. He is a combo guard and solid insurance for injury. They have very little depth at SG and SF and Hinrich and Deng are their most injury prone players.

If you're thinking that everyone's going to have to shift up and Daniels covers the small holes left, wouldn't it be smarter to just sign someone for the minimum out of the D-League than pay out of pocket $5.28mil for Antonio Daniels?

John Salmons, Luol Deng, James Johnson (rookie) are their SFs and John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich (6'3), and Jannero Pargo (6'1) are their 3 SGs.

Salmons, Johnson, and Deng all will get minutes at SF. Tyrus Thomas will likely get a couple minutes there as well. And as has already been mentioned, Daniels is a PG. So what does trading away JJ's insurance covered deal for Daniels have to do with SF depth?

If Deng gets injured, Salmons becomes their 1 legit SF along side a rookie with Hinrich backing up the PG spot while playing SG. On the other hand, if Hinrich goes down they have 38 year old Lindsey Hunter backing them up at PG with Pargo as emergency backup, and no SG depth. If they have 1 injury at PG, SG, or SF they are bare bones thin. If they have 2 injuries, they're basically screwed.

Maybe instead of being a jackass you should try making some sense.

This is a depth move, what part of that doesn't make sense?

D. All of the above

[B Calrissian]

Damn dude, you getting all worked up over nothing. These were very minor proposals (really just made to get the discussion going) - nothing worth getting into a big argument about. We disagree. Can we leave it at that?

Ha, I would hardly call this an argument.
I am just asking you the same questions I asked you before. You didn't answer them, you just repeated Fish is done, Farmar sucks, and the Celtics need a true pg. Those are opinions/claims that you are not backing up.

You ignored James' contract being worth alot more than Daniels* and that the Lakers need a pg that is a good long range shooter. Those are facts.

So go ahead and disagree with me and the facts.

*That may change if it's true that James could make a come back, but that wasn't reported until today.

[Shrunk]

I've read this and the atkins post and swore i was at rubechat. I'm liking the direction, your hate makes you stronger