Anthony Randolph vs. Michael Beasley

[turk3d]

Even though I'm not "one of those tools" here's my prediction for AR next season and a comparison with some of the Power Forwards productions at a similar stage. I'm going to count this as Randolph's 1st season (there's no question he would have been a starter on any young team with a low winning % other than Nellie) since this is the first season he gets to start and he's only 20 years old (should be in college another 2 or 3 years). I'll include 2nd year for a few as well.

Points & Rebounds (1st year and 2nd for some)
Tim Duncan - 21,12
Charles Barkely - 14, 8.6
Dirk - 8.2, 3.4 1st, 17.5, 6.5 2nd
KG - 10.4, 6.3 1st, 17, 8 2nd
Chris Bosh - 11.5, 7.4 1st, 16.8, 8.9 2nd
Boozer 10, 7.5 1st, 15.5, 11.4 2nd
Amare - 13.5, 8.8 1st, 20.6, 9.0 2nd

My prediction for Randolph this season: 18 & 9 (maybe 10), but I'll go 9 to be on the safe side.

I don't know or care what Beasley does.

EPIC!!!!!!!!

This is how Randolph gets so ridiculously overrated. You are comparing him to hall of famers like Dirk, KG, Barkley, and say that "on the safe side" he will put up superior stats in his sophomore season. This is GREAT! Why didn't you include Magic Johnsons 2nd year stats? Or Brons?

I also enjoy how he gets a mulligan for his rookie season, because now he finally "gets" to start. AWESOME!

2nd years are listed too, you can't see? Compare those if you like.

Just because he shoots 46%, and on a per basis averages 15.9 and 11.6 and his coach doesn't play him on a 29 win team can't be all his fault, can it? Someone do the per numbers with the rest of these guys. Dirk scored only 8.2 (compared to 7.9) in significantly more minutes his first year, but that of course doesn't count. This is supposed to be a comparison board isn't it?

I'm beginning to think that some of you guys are just plain jealous.

[ARISE_CHICKEN]

These numbers comparisons with good PFs in their first and second years have been done before with Beasley and he compares even more favorably than Randolph when you look at scoring rebounding percentages and per 36 averages.

[Wade2k6]

These numbers comparisons with good PFs in their first and second years have been done before with Beasley and he compares even more favorably than Randolph when you look at scoring rebounding percentages and per 36 averages.

Exactly. Compare all their rookie years (KG, Boozer, Amare) to Beasleys and they compare much more favorably then Randolph.

[turk3d]

These numbers comparisons with good PFs in their first and second years have been done before with Beasley and he compares even more favorably than Randolph when you look at scoring rebounding percentages and per 36 averages.

Neither Randolph nor Beasley have played their 2nd years yet (so you can't say Beasley compares more favorably his 2nd year Bud). The question was asked what do you think those players would do this year (their 2nd) and now that Beasley just got out of rehab and Randolph is out of Nellie's doghouse, these are the predictions. The 2nd year numbers will be compared to after this next season is over.

[Wade2k6]

These numbers comparisons with good PFs in their first and second years have been done before with Beasley and he compares even more favorably than Randolph when you look at scoring rebounding percentages and per 36 averages.

Neither Randolph nor Beasley have played their 2nd years yet (so you can't say Beasley compares more favorably his 2nd year Bud). The question was asked what do you think those players would do this year (their 2nd) and now that Beasley just got out of rehab and Randolph is out of Nellie's doghouse, these are the predictions. The 2nd year numbers will be compared to after this next season is over.

But Beasley has played his rookie year and he compares much more favorably to Boozer, Amare, and KG then Randolph does.

[ARownsBeasley]

when is Beasley getting out of rehab?

[Dresta]

last week

[turk3d]

Hopefully he won't relapse.

[Wade2k6]

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=945919&start=0

Recent quotes by Beasley. Sounds alot more serious about playing in the NBA and sounds like he has grown up a lot by this rehab stint.

"But I'm ready to start the season. I'm in the best shape of my life. I gained 10 pounds. I can run for days right now. I'm just ready to start training camp."

"Later for the immaturity. Later for me blaming it on my age," he said. "I've come to realize I'm a professional, no matter if I'm 38, no matter if I'm 19 or 20. I'm a professional."

Q. Does Michael Beasley have a substance-abuse problem?

A. "No sir."

Q. In simplest terms, how are you now? Guys have always talked about, when they're going through anything off the court, no matter how big or how small, how basketball is a sanctuary for them. Do you look at it that way? And what is your mindset, now that you are here and Houston is behind you?

A. "I'm ready to start the season up and start train camp and I think my situation, being locked down for as long as I was, gave me a chance to really get my life organized and get back in touch with myself. I think over this past year, I've got caught up in the NBA life, as most of us do. I think this gave me the perfect opportunity to just sit down and evaluate my life and get the good separated from the bad. But I'm ready to start the season. I'm in the best shape of my life. I gained 10 pounds. I can run for days right now. I'm just ready to start training camp."

[BROWN]

I'm excited to see how Beasley does now, I like the responses. It's going to be one fun rookie sophmore game !

[510TWSS]

I'm glad Beasley took rehab seriously, and is now saying all the right things. I don't think anyone wants to see the guy flame out of the league before his career even gets underway. Even us homeristic Warrior fans.

Besides, I want him to be at his best when Randolph and the Dubz smash on Miami.

People are underrating Randolph's offensive ability. Yes, he is raw, and erratic at times. But he also played really well at the end of the season. He was hitting his jumper out to 20 feet. He was pushing the ball in transition with confidence. He even posted up and finished or created for his teammates. So no, while he's not a Chris Bosh/Amare Stoudamire on offense, he's not Andris Biedrins either. With his great work ethic and learning curve, I expect him to increase his efficiency and play more under control this year. Anyone who says Randolph can't create for himself, has clearly only watched youtube. Don't fake the funk, just don't make comments about things you haven't seen thus far.

Beasley's game is more suited for personal accolades, while Randolph's game is better suited for championships. I'll take a championship anyday.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

Beasley's game is more suited for personal accolades, while Randolph's game is better suited for championships. I'll take a championship anyday.

yet Randolph was on a LSU team with a losing record and a Warriors team 30 games under .500..while Beasley's team made it to the NCAA tournament and NBA playoffs. its a team sport of course, but your comment is based on absolutely nothing.

[SadKingsFan]

I'm glad Beasley took rehab seriously, and is now saying all the right things. I don't think anyone wants to see the guy flame out of the league before his career even gets underway. Even us homeristic Warrior fans.

Besides, I want him to be at his best when Randolph and the Dubz smash on Miami.

People are underrating Randolph's offensive ability. Yes, he is raw, and erratic at times. But he also played really well at the end of the season. He was hitting his jumper out to 20 feet. He was pushing the ball in transition with confidence. He even posted up and finished or created for his teammates. So no, while he's not a Chris Bosh/Amare Stoudamire on offense, he's not Andris Biedrins either. With his great work ethic and learning curve, I expect him to increase his efficiency and play more under control this year. Anyone who says Randolph can't create for himself, has clearly only watched youtube. Don't fake the funk, just don't make comments about things you haven't seen thus far.

Beasley's game is more suited for personal accolades, while Randolph's game is better suited for championships. I'll take a championship anyday.

Care to elaborate?

[Coxy]

I love this thread, Just read the entire thing from the beginning, and I'd like to launch myself into it.

I cant wait for the season to start now. I havent been as excited about a player for the Warriors since Webber. This kid has "it", and its going to be a very enjoyable season.

I'm going to throw this comparison into the fold.

Anthony Randolph - Scottie Pippen

Now, firstly, I know what your thinking. Calm down. Breathe.......................
Ok, let me explain. Im not saying he is going to be anywhere near as successful or dominant as Scottie, but he's the type of player that I'm HOPING AR will develop into. AR's going to be a monster player, Im certain of it, but like some other posters, like jimmy, have said, he isnt going to be a refined offense player like Beasley. Randolph is going to get his points finishing around the rim, from jumpers and also putbacks. He has a very good handle for a guy of his size and can ignite a break and Im sure at times Nellie will be playing him in a "point forward" capacity. Pippens jumper was never a site to behold, but he worked on it and it became very reliable.

The thing that stood Pip out though was his defense. AR has the same instincts inbuilt that guys like Pip had. Long, rangy, intense, thinking defender types are rare. I LOVE watching guys like Pip, KG, prime Ben Wallace, Prince, Rodman, Duncan, Battier, Artest, Kobe, MJ when they are on D as they seem to care even more about being scored against than scoring them selves. Randolph has that same look in his eye.

Pip was also a much better 2-3 offensive option rather than a main man. I suspect that AR will be like this as well, so playing him as the number 1 option will be a huge mistake in my opinion. Golden State has scorers a plenty, so the pressure for him to get numbers Beasley like on offense won't be a necessity. The defense and rebounding will be his bag for the first portion of his career and its not far fetched whatsoever to imagine him averaging a low double double this season with some steals and blocks to boot.

Id like AR to develop into the role type player that Pip was, but by no means am I saying he'll be anywhere as good as the Bulls legend, so dont come at me with the homer comparison card.

Also, in regards to the whole Golden State fans pimp their players exessively, my question to you guys is, why not? Thats what this site is for for christ sake. To come and voice your excitement about your beloved franchise. If you dont like it, then dont reply. The Warriors fans have suffered for a very very long time with losing so to have a group of fans that continually show up with geniun excitement for their players each year KNOWING that were going to have ANOTHER losing season shows how much we care. Give us that at least.

It makes it hard though when actual terd GS fans show up and give us a bad name, so I understand.

[Canomad]

beasley is lazy, a drug addict, borderline suicidal, and has no heart or passion. give me randolph, beasley is setting himself up for a monumental collapse on a very promising career. don't get me wrong i would like to see beasley succeed but i dont think its going to happen.

[Hallstar]

beasley is lazy, a drug addict, borderline suicidal, and has no heart or passion. give me randolph, beasley is setting himself up for a monumental collapse on a very promising career. don't get me wrong i would like to see beasley succeed but i dont think its going to happen.

but how do you really feel?

[NetsForce]

I love this thread, Just read the entire thing from the beginning, and I'd like to launch myself into it.

I cant wait for the season to start now. I havent been as excited about a player for the Warriors since Webber. This kid has "it", and its going to be a very enjoyable season.

Oh **** here we go again, this is what all of the Raptors fans were using to describe Bargnani up until last year

[Coxy]

Really? Fans were saying Bargs had "It"? Suprising.

[ARownsBeasley]

I love this thread, Just read the entire thing from the beginning, and I'd like to launch myself into it.

I cant wait for the season to start now. I havent been as excited about a player for the Warriors since Webber. This kid has "it", and its going to be a very enjoyable season.

Oh **** here we go again, this is what all of the Raptors fans were using to describe Bargnani up until last year

you are the least funny member of the forum

[NetsForce]

It wasn't a joke. Then again I guess it is a bit comical that when some people can't find a rational reason for why "their" player has more potential / will become better than a player on an opposing team they fall back to the infamous "IT" factor which they are never able to explain...

(I mean how do we know that Randolph has "IT" and Beasley doesn't have "IT"?)