MIN - NYK

[shrink]

Here's a deal I've been working with, that makes some sense financially, but I don't like it for the Knicks 2009.

NYK GETS: Blount + Daniels + Cardinal + Wilkins + $5.75 mil payroll reduction

MIN GETS: Hughes + Mobely + Darko

NYK doubles the savings over the lux, and saves $11.5 mil. Mobely's contract is 80% insured, so that's $7.6 less, so the Knicks clear nearly $4 mil.

MIN spends $5.75 mil in payroll, but gets back $7.6 for Mobely's insurance, so they clear nearly $2 mil.

Some buy outs for both teams make some sense. I think NYK on loses talent, but I don't think any of these three are part of the future. How has Larry been with the chemistry of thisi disfunactional lot? All the players are expiring. I can't see MIN paying anything for a talent upgrade for 2010 with these crazies.

[john2jer]

I think the Knicks actually like Darko. So if there's a way of taking him out of the trade you might have better luck.

[skorff26]

I don't know if the medical exemption transfers over for players such as James, Mobley, Harping
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q53


53. How do retired players count against the cap?

Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player has retired. For example, James Worthy retired in 1994, two years before his contract ended. He continued to receive his salary for the 1994-95 and 1995-96 seasons, so his salary was included in the Lakers' team salary in those seasons. It is at the team's discretion (or as the result of an agreement between the team and player) whether to continue to pay the player after he has retired.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is not included in the team's team salary. This is when a player is forced to retire for medical reasons and a league-appointed physician confirms that he is medically unfit to continue playing. There is a waiting period of one year following the injury or illness before a team can apply for this salary cap relief. If the waiting period expires mid-season (on any date prior to the last day of the regular season), then the player's entire salary for that season is removed from the team's team salary. For example, in March 2003 the Knicks were allowed to remove Luc Longley's entire 2002-03 salary from their books (and since the luxury tax is based on the team salary as of the last day of the regular season, the Knicks avoided paying any tax on Longley's salary). This provision can also be used when a player dies while under contract.

If the player "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to his team's team salary when he plays in his 10th game in any one season (including pre-season, regular season and playoff games). This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his team unless his comeback is ultimately successful. A team loses this salary cap relief even if the player later signs and plays 10 games with a different team.

Teams are not allowed to trade for disabled players and then apply for this salary cap relief. Only the team for which the player was playing when he was disabled may request this relief.

If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.

[shrink]

I don't know if the medical exemption transfers over for players such as James, Mobley, Harping.

The exemption is different than the private insurance.

If I understand it correctly (and I get these mixed up sometimes, so anyone is welcome to come in and straighten me out), Larry's talking about the NBA's rules. For example, if Darius Miles got hurt, then we traded for him, we couldn't go to David Stern and say, "oh, can we get an injury exception?" "How about we remove him from the salary?" He'd say, "You traded for him injured, we have no reason to bail you out."

[shrink]

I think the Knicks actually like Darko. So if there's a way of taking him out of the trade you might have better luck.

The closest I can come financially without him is:

NYK GETS: Daniels + Cardinal + Wilkins + OPec + $4.63 mil payroll reduction

MIN GETS: Hughes + Mobely

NYK doubles the savings over the lux, and saves $9.25 mil. Mobely's contract is 80% insured, so that's $7.6 less, so the Knicks clear about $1.65 mil.

MIN spends $4.63 mil in payroll, but gets back $7.6 for Mobely's insurance, so they clear nearly $4 mil.

We could add $1 mil in cash, so we get $3 mil, and NYK gets $2.65.


Anyway, if they want Darko out, that's cool, but we can save them an additional $2.35 mil if he's in the deal.

[john2jer]

I don't think the Knicks are overly concerned about $2.35mil in 2009 if it hurts their talent. They're not playing for ping pong balls as Utah has their draft pick. They want to be as good as possible this year.

[shrink]

Do you think they'd even want to trade Hughes then?

Or put those minutes into someone younger?

[Worm Guts]

Do you think they'd even want to trade Hughes then?

probably not

[john2jer]

Do you think they'd even want to trade Hughes then?

Or put those minutes into someone younger?

Hughes is a toss up because he's a bum and probably takes minutes that would be better for Chandler or Nate the Inmate.

[GopherIt!]

chandler > chandler

you heard it here first.

[KG_Wolves]

I want nothing to do with that BUM Hughes.

[shrink]

Can you think of any team who would want Hughes?

He averaged 11.6 PPG. His FG% was 40.2%, his 3P% was 38.9%.

[john2jer]

Can you think of any team who would want Hughes?

He averaged 11.6 PPG. His FG% was 40.2%, his 3P% was 38.9%.

That tells me he either shoots WAY too many 3's, or he can't finish. No interest in that. Screams selfish and too dumb to not get himself in bad positions.