Trade Idea Thread

[SportsFan215]

Clippers trade Al Thornton ($1.9 mil), Ricky Davis ($2.4 mil), Mardy Collins ($1.87 mil), Minny pick.
Minnesota trades Ricky Rubio ($2.7 mil), Corey Brewer ($2.9 mil), and Henk Norel (minimum).

Instead of trying to sign Rudy Gay next year (can't understand why Minnesota is talking about that now), Minnesota gets a starting small forward who will flourish in the running game and as a primary or secondary scorer (behind Al Jefferson). Thornton is stuck in his rookie contract for the next 3 years, so Minnesota doesn't have to worry about him bailing on them yet. On top of that, David Kahn reacquires the Minny pick. Minny's going to be awful in the next two years and that pick that the Clippers currently own may be a referendum on the job that he's doing.

Clippers get their star player in Ricky Rubio that they were trying to acquire with Allen Iverson.
Clippers point guards: Baron Davis, Ricky Rubio, Sebastian Telfair.
Clippers small forwards: Rasual Butler, Corey Brewer, Steve Novak (and Craig Smith)

Clippers can bring Ricky Rubio along slowly. If he blows up, the Clippers can try to trade Baron Davis to Philadelphia or Houston.

David Kahn has already stated a preference for Jonny Flynn (his comment about GMs agreeing that they had Flynn rated higher than Rubio) and he has gone on record as saying that he didn't see Rubio and Flynn playing much together, which contradicted his earlier statement at the time of the draft that they will play together.

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I don't think MIN would do that, but I could be wrong. For the Clips, it depends if we will be patient with Rubio, or if we don't want to have to deal with Rubio's contract situation.

[donemilio21]

Minnesota would gladly accept that deal, but it wouldn't work for Clippers as we (Sterling) can't (won't) solve buy-out problems of Rubio. Not to mention he is actively considering spending 2 years with Barça.
Although NBA rules don't allow teams to pay more $500,000 for contract buyouts outside of the league, there is no rule against team owners paying out of their own pockets. I just can't imagine Sterling doing that

[rick32621]

Ricky Rubio came into the draft with the expectations that he would sign with a team in a major market city so that he can get enough endorsement deals to help offset his buy-out. In my mind, his Los Angeles-based agent, Dan Fegan, was targeting the Clippers, who, if they hadn't hit the jackpot with their Blake Griffin pick, would've been interested in Ricky Rubio, even if for nothing else but as a box office draw.

In his 710 radio interview, Rasual Butler talked about how after 3 days in Los Angeles, he already had an endorsement from a protein shake company. Corporations would've lined up with bags of money in their hands in an attempt to maximize Rubio's international appeal and place him on the same level as guys like Tiger Woods, etc., who transcend their sport.

Ricky Rubio'll be buried in the frozen tundra in Minnesota where he'll be made into a Kevin Garnett snowman. Just think, if David Kahn had the endorsement money already lined up, instead of a mere $600,000 from Minnesota businessman, Rubio would've signed on the dotted line months ago. If the Clippers had drafted Rubio, Dan Fegan would've already had the $6+ mil lined up.

[rick32621]

Minnesota would gladly accept that deal, but it wouldn't work for Clippers as we (Sterling) can't (won't) solve buy-out problems of Rubio. Not to mention he is actively considering spending 2 years with Barça.
Although NBA rules don't allow teams to pay more $500,000 for contract buyouts outside of the league, there is no rule against team owners paying out of their own pockets. I just can't imagine Sterling doing that

David Kahn's position is weakened if he can't sign Ricky Rubio to a contract. If I'm the Clippers, I'd offer lower than Al Thornton and the Minny pick for a player that David Kahn can't sign. I'd offer either Thornton or the pick straight up, or replace the Minny pick with a Clippers lottery-protected pick.

I found it interesting that Kahn literally gave backup point guard Sebastian Telfair to the Clippers for a player, Quentin Richardson, that he didn't need. He did this just as he was boarding the plane for his first meeting with Rubio. By doing this, Kahn has given the Clippers a Plan B backup point guard in Telfair that has allowed them to wait on Ramon Sessions and perhaps wait for final resolution on Rubio.

[SportsFan215]

I would love to see Rubio come to the Clippers, and I'm sure he would love to come to LA, but it will be tough to make a deal that works out for both the Wolves and Clippers.

[SportsFan215]

Also, I don't think the original deal would work financially, since Rubio hasn't been signed yet, so the Wolves would simply be trading "the rights to Rubio."

Although, I just thought abbout a possible deal:

R. Davis/Collins/future MIN first returned for Songaila/Rights to Rubio

[rick32621]

That's why I think that David Kahn needs to sign Rubio (in order to get more in return).
Minny's rebuilding, but there's no guarantee that if they receive their pick back from the Clippers that it'll be better than the #5 they used to draft Rubio. Plus, even if they ended up with #5 or better, there's no guarantee that they end up with a better player. Kahn doesn't want to have the trading Ricky Rubio for the Minny pick to form the trifecta with McHale's Brandon Roy for Randy Foye and O.J. Mayo for Kevin Love.

If he can acquire Al Thornton this year, he can justify trading the pick, as he'll be adding a scorer who can flourish in a Showtime-like offense. Then, even if Rubio blows up, he has his Minny pick to say that he traded for two starters with the trade. He gave up the expiring contracts of Mike Miller and Randy Foye for Al Thornton, who still has a few years left on his rookie contract, plus another potential star who'll be an indentured servant under the NBA's rookie salary. Minnesota ends up with pf) Kevin Love, sf) Al Thornton, c) Al Jefferson, sg) Damien Wilkens/Wayne Ellington, pg) Jonny Flynn. They'd end up with the expiring contract of Ricky Davis, who could flourish under a Showtime-like offense and Mardy Collins who can be a steady backup at multiple positions.

[SportsFan215]

On second thought, I don't see any chance of Rubio coming to the Clippers.

[loflin3hree5ive]

SJax is requesting to be traded... anybody else seeing him as a good option at SF?

Kaman + Telfair for Jackson and Claxton's expiring fills a need for us and clears another big chunk of cap space. Clips can then go ahead and sign Sessions and maybe abosorb Elson with the TPE as a 3rd string center.

Davis/Sessions/Jackson
Gordon/Butler/R. Davis
Jackson/Thornton/Butler
Griffin/Smith/Thornton
Camby/Jordan/Elson or Skinner

[thanumba2clippersfan]

I've always been a fan of Stephen Jackson. Two things about us trying to acquire him though:

1. Would the Warriors be willing to trade within the division?
2. The Warriors already have Biedrins so why would they want Kaman.

I mean if we could trade Kaman and Telfair I'd be fine with that, but I'm not sure if the Warriors would go for it.

[ClipperDomination]

I like Jackson too, but I wonder if he'll need the ball too much with the player we have on our team. He's not a first option, more like a decent second/third option on a good team. Would he be okay with less time with the ball?

[TheNewEra]

We are screwed at Center.Pass

[Forte IV]

Maybe Al Thornton straight up for Jackson? The Warriors did trade Belinelli for Deven George....

[Hoops23]

How about bringing home Dorell Wright?
Telfair for Dorell?

[thanumba2clippersfan]

We need to keep Telfair as a back up PG

[Forte IV]

Yea now that we didn't land Sessions *cries* we need to keep Telfair.

[Forte IV]

Baron + Thornton for S Jackson + Ellis

[Det the Threat]

Baron + Thornton for S Jackson + Ellis

Jackson's got a huge contract and i'm not that interested to witness a Ellis/Gordon backcourt, defensively that is.

If we do trade Baron i'd rather go for someone like Hinrich, to pair him with Gordon, cause it would be good to have someone next to EJ who can defend both guard spots.

[donemilio21]

Not a good idea. I'd prefer to keep our options open for next year + I'd like to give Baron one more chance to take us where we belong.
And salary cap rules won't allow Baron + Thornton ( $14mil) for ellis + jackson ($23mil)

[clippermitch]

How about camby for raja bell and filler? This will open up playing time for DJ and will put Blake as our starting pf. This will also give us depth and defense at the 2. I believe bell is an expiring too so we're still good for 2010.

We won't be winning a championship this year so the best thing we should do is get Blake and DJ experience. Also playing time for smith and novak.