Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota

[MJG]

Always interesting to hear what Minny fans have to say about Foye.
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Sounds to me like most of them are fairly indifferent about losing him. Some liked him, some not quite as much, but there's nobody overrun with feelings of despair or relief in seeing him gone. Essentially, they traded an okay role player, a seventh man type, and are acting just like you'd expect for that situation. I'd expect the same sort of thing from us if the trade had flipped and we'd traded say Nick Young for their pick.

[fifthstop]

Sounds to me like most of them are fairly indifferent about losing him. Some liked him, some not quite as much, but there's nobody overrun with feelings of despair or relief in seeing him gone. Essentially, they traded an okay role player, a seventh man type, and are acting just like you'd expect for that situation. I'd expect the same sort of thing from us if the trade had flipped and we'd traded say Nick Young for their pick.

Interesting because Foye seems like a better player--certainly more accomplished--than Nick. and playing on a worse team...

[miller31time]

I think their critiques are fair. Foye has a lot of skill but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't show up to play every night.

But they're also correct to point out that he'll probably be an improved player in Washington for the simple fact that he'll be playing next to Gilbert (at times) which is NEVER a bad thing.

[Kanyewest]

Always interesting to hear what Minny fans have to say about Foye.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=944977

Sounds to me like most of them are fairly indifferent about losing him. Some liked him, some not quite as much, but there's nobody overrun with feelings of despair or relief in seeing him gone. Essentially, they traded an okay role player, a seventh man type, and are acting just like you'd expect for that situation. I'd expect the same sort of thing from us if the trade had flipped and we'd traded say Nick Young for their pick.

Minny fans are probably upset that Foye wasn't a franchise type of player like Brandon Roy, who the T-Wolves traded Randy Foye for. But he certainly can still be a starting player on a winning team especially with starters like Arenas, Butler, and Jamison as opposed to what he had in the 2nd half the year with Telfair, Gomes, and Love.

[MJG]

Always interesting to hear what Minny fans have to say about Foye.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=944977

Sounds to me like most of them are fairly indifferent about losing him. Some liked him, some not quite as much, but there's nobody overrun with feelings of despair or relief in seeing him gone. Essentially, they traded an okay role player, a seventh man type, and are acting just like you'd expect for that situation. I'd expect the same sort of thing from us if the trade had flipped and we'd traded say Nick Young for their pick.

Minny fans are probably upset that Foye wasn't a franchise type of player like Brandon Roy, who the T-Wolves traded Randy Foye for. But he certainly can still be a starting player on a winning team especially with starters like Arenas, Butler, and Jamison as opposed to what he had in the 2nd half the year with Telfair, Gomes, and Love.

Maybe others watched the Wolves more than I did and are more aware of his intangibles, but going by the numbers, I just don't see anything that says that Foye is more than a decent rotation player. On one of the league's worst teams, he put up 16/4/3/1 with 40% FG and 36% 3P in 35 MPG. There's certainly nothing awful about that, but there's nothing especially impressive either. And considering that he's 26 years old and has been pretty consistent across his three previous seasons, I think improvements going forward will be fairly minor at best.

I don't want to sound like I hate Foye or anything like that, because I don't. I just think there's a reason most Minnesota fans don't really care that he was traded, and it can't all be blamed on the fact that he will never be as good as Roy. I still believe that Miller is the real gem of the deal for us, and I hope for our sake that he doesn't get treated as a secondary acquisition to Foye.

[Kanyewest]

When you look at Foye's numbers, you have to remember that his numbers began to spike with Kevin McHale as the head coach and when he had a healthy Al Jefferson. During that time, Foye played primarily at the shooting guard position and his numbers were impressive: in the month of January where he averaged 19.4 ppg, 4.7 apg, and 2.8 rpg while also shooting 45% from the field and 42.5% from 3 point range. During that stretch, the Timberwolves were 10-4; the Wolves would have been far one of the worst teams in the league had Al Jefferson not gone down with a season ending injury. Foye hasn't shown that he can be #1 option when Jefferson was out of the lineup. However he seems more than capable of playing off of Arenas, Butler, and Jamison.

And yes I believe Miller can be a valuable piece given that he's extremely unselfish and can knock down the open jumper. However, Foye developed a very good 3 point shot during the season where he shot above 40% from 3 through the months of January through March.

Foye will turn 26 this September, but you have to remember that he's only been in the league for 3 years, and he still has room to grow. Caron Butler was considered to be a 6th man kind of player when he came to Washington, but proved his critics wrong. Hopefully, Foye can develop into a high caliber player in Washington.

[DCZards]

I don't want to sound like I hate Foye or anything like that, because I don't. I just think there's a reason most Minnesota fans don't really care that he was traded, and it can't all be blamed on the fact that he will never be as good as Roy. I still believe that Miller is the real gem of the deal for us, and I hope for our sake that he doesn't get treated as a secondary acquisition to Foye.

While Miller will be a great addition with his shooting and vet leadership, Foye, imo, is the one with the real upside--the gem in this trade. I think those Zard fans who haven't followed Foye will be impressed by his toughness, unselfishness and the way he steps up at crunch time. I've watched a lot of Foye, both at 'Nova and in Minny (he was on my fantasy team), and I love his game and attitude. No, he's not a #1, or even a #2, option, but on a team with Arenas, Butler and AJ he should be very productive.

As far as what the Minny fans think, well, I'll take the judgement of Flip and Wittman who got to know Foye pretty well in Minny and obviously believed he'd be a good addition to our Zards.

[Zerocious]

I don't want to sound like I hate Foye or anything like that, because I don't. I just think there's a reason most Minnesota fans don't really care that he was traded, and it can't all be blamed on the fact that he will never be as good as Roy. I still believe that Miller is the real gem of the deal for us, and I hope for our sake that he doesn't get treated as a secondary acquisition to Foye.

While Miller will be a great addition with his shooting and vet leadership, Foye, imo, is the one with the real upside--the gem in this trade. I think those Zard fans who haven't followed Foye will be impressed by his toughness, unselfishness and the way he steps up at crunch time. I've watched a lot of Foye, both at 'Nova and in Minny (he was on my fantasy team), and I love his game and attitude. No, he's not a #1, or even a #2, option, but on a team with Arenas, Butler and AJ he should be very productive.

As far as what the Minny fans think, well, I'll take the judgement of Flip and Wittman who got to know Foye pretty well in Minny and obviously believed he'd be a good addition to our Zards.

nice post, agreed

[miller31time]

I definitely don't like that he'll be reuniting with Wittman. That's when he played some of his worst basketball and he and Wittman never shared a great relationship.

[Kanyewest]

To my knowledge, Randy Wittman was in charge of Flip Saunder's defensive schemes in Minnesota; he'll probably have little impact if any on the offensive end.

[doclinkin]

Occurs to me that Gil may have a positive effect on Randy as an example even off the court. The rehab story and the effort that Gil puts into regaining his game may help Foye rediscover that fearlessness with which he used to play. Injuries take a long minute to recover from, and a good part of that recovery is confidence. Foye may be on the upswing on the second part of the equation, and sure it will only help if he's playing either next to Gil or in relief of him against back-ups.

It's true that Foye went from a helter-skelter attacker in the lane to a jumpshooter outside. But in watching Gil battle the demon of fear he may learn by example, want to match the attack-mode energy, be inspired to regain his own feistiness. He may even pick up workout tips to help his body recover and prevent re-occurrence of injury.

Randy's personal hard-luck story sinters well with guys like Gil, Caron, Nick -- all players who had similarly tough circumstances growing up and found refuge in this game to draw them out of trouble and give them a life, livelihood. A chance at glory.

You can't give in to despair or fear, have to fight your way through. Players like Foye, Miller, Caron (in Miami especially), Gil -- all have suffered injuries that took them out of the game. I expect a step away from the game may help each of them to re-dedicate themselves to the love of the game that can sometimes be taken for granted. I expect we'll see a bit of steel in a player like Gilbert who lost two years in his prime, was desperate to return. If that controlled fury helps re-ignite the passion of a guy like Foye, right when he's recovering his own confidence and form and clutch mindset -- well that's double a good thing.

Personally I want to see practice court footage on these squads. There's a real nice mix to flesh out both A-team and B-team. Flip is still talking 8-9 players, but there's talent and potential to make a push for PT 2-3 players deep at most every position.

Add in the contract year happenstance for 4-5 players (at positions of depth) and competition will be at a premium. That's a gladiators training ground waiting to happen. Whomever fights best wins minutes, contract, etc.

[dobrojim]

Minny fans are probably upset that Foye wasn't a franchise type of player like Brandon Roy, who the T-Wolves traded Randy Foye for. But he certainly can still be a starting player on a winning team especially with starters like Arenas, Butler, and Jamison as opposed to what he had in the 2nd half the year with Telfair, Gomes, and Love.
Maybe others watched the Wolves more than I did and are more aware of his intangibles, but going by the numbers, I just don't see anything that says that Foye is more than a decent rotation player. On one of the league's worst teams, he put up 16/4/3/1 with 40% FG and 36% 3P in 35 MPG. There's certainly nothing awful about that, but there's nothing especially impressive either. And considering that he's 26 years old and has been pretty consistent across his three previous seasons, I think improvements going forward will be fairly minor at best.

I don't want to sound like I hate Foye or anything like that, because I don't. I just think there's a reason most Minnesota fans don't really care that he was traded, and it can't all be blamed on the fact that he will never be as good as Roy. I still believe that Miller is the real gem of the deal for us, and I hope for our sake that he doesn't get treated as a secondary acquisition to Foye.

this is exactly my take on him

the realist in me will be pleasantly surprised if he helps us all that much.

the optimist in me thinks that maybe mgmt (incl and esp the new regime
that was most familiar with RF in MN) sees something that would give them
hope that he could be a player worthy of being picked as high as he was.

re the comparisons with N1, I would not have traded N1 for RF straight up.
I really have rose colored glasses when it comes to N1. That's just me. TSW
may end up being right on the mark with his comparison to Trent Tucker (iirc).

[andyhop]

Foye's intangibles are basically that he isn't a leader he is a follower.This made him a bad fit for the Wolves and their rebuild but shouldn't matter as much in Washington with all of your vets.

His best season was basically his rookie year when KG was there pushing him .

He also sucks defensively and you need to play a good help defending big at the same time as him to minimise the damage.

As long as all you expect him to be is offense from the bench you will be happy with him.

[closg00]

Foye's intangibles are basically that he isn't a leader he is a follower.This made him a bad fit for the Wolves and their rebuild but shouldn't matter as much in Washington with all of your vets.

His best season was basically his rookie year when KG was there pushing him .

He also sucks defensively and you need to play a good help defending big at the same time as him to minimise the damage.

As long as all you expect him to be is offense from the bench you will be happy with him.

Sounds like trading fodder to me.

[standupwiz]

I just want to see them play. Tired of speculating on this trade, just let them play this out. We'll see if EG has something else up the sleeve come Feb.

[revprodeji]

I have seen almost every Foye game as a pro. (wolves mod) The kid is very likeable and has all the tools you would want. but he is incredibly inconsistent. Horribly inconsistent. I think confidence is a big part of that. If he just focused on the 3 and going to the tin he would be fine. If he could go left it would help. I think with less pressure on the Wiz he should be a key weapon. I look forward to seeing flip use him properly this year.

[closg00]

I have seen almost every Foye game as a pro. (wolves mod) The kid is very likeable and has all the tools you would want. but he is incredibly inconsistent. Horribly inconsistent. I think confidence is a big part of that. If he just focused on the 3 and going to the tin he would be fine. If he could go left it would help. I think with less pressure on the Wiz he should be a key weapon. I look forward to seeing flip use him properly this year.

Interesting, I have never read about this weakness. I have trust that Flip will be able to use Foye in the right way, if he doesn't pan-out, he was a one-year rental.

[nate33]

Great. Our two scoring guards, Foye and Young, are both incapable of going left. We should have them play one-on-one all day long with neither allowed to shoot with his right hand.

[fishercob]

Latrell Sprewell couldn't go left -- everyone knew he was going right, and he was unstoppable going right for a number of years. While developing a strong off-hand is certainly ideal, there are ways to mitigate that weakness.

[keynote]

Spre was also one of the most explosive 2 guards in the league that year. Young has a lot of shake and bake in his game, but he's not nearly as explosive as Spre was in his day.

Does Foye possess Spre's quick first step?