Will wolves lose their lottery pick this year?

[shrink]

Remember, In WoW land, some players can carry NEGATIVE wins produced. Here's a look at the Wolves WP in the middle of last season

http://www.wagesofwins.com/TWolves510809.html

13.2 Al Jefferson
10.3 Kevin Love
9.2 Mike Miller
32.7 Wins

Our top three guys should generate almost 32 wins, but when you add in the other 12 players, the Wolves total was 31.2.

[shrink]

I used to post WoW info, although I wasn't a fan. Rev kept saying I loved the stat too much because of rebounds. After that, I went and looked a lot more closely. I now like WoW for two reasons.

First, it has proven to be extremely accurate as a prediction tool. You give them the roster, add the WP's, and you'll get a final season record that's off by only a game or two. Considering there are 82 games in a season, many of them that could go either way, I find that amazing.

Second, Rev is right, rebounds is heavily weighted in their numbers. It was hard for me to accept, but I've come to the conclusion that they should be. A rebound is better than an assist, because a rebound is a possession. In the NBA, a possession is generally worth like about a point. That's good news for our future, with Jefferson and Love, two of the league's best rebounders.

[Worm Guts]

knicks have a bit better chemistry,you can have a awesome team but if they dont work than you wont win games

That's true. I'm not saying this team will win 30 games, just that the reason they won't isn't that Al Jefferson isn't good enough.

ive been a bit hard on this team and i think its got to do with the whole rebuilding process again,its so annoying.i was happy the first time,but we keep trading away picks instead of keeping them and seeing what they can do

Like who? Foye? I'd say he had plenty of opportunity to show what he could do.

[wolves_fan_82au]

knicks have a bit better chemistry,you can have a awesome team but if they dont work than you wont win games

That's true. I'm not saying this team will win 30 games, just that the reason they won't isn't that Al Jefferson isn't good enough.

ive been a bit hard on this team and i think its got to do with the whole rebuilding process again,its so annoying.i was happy the first time,but we keep trading away picks instead of keeping them and seeing what they can do

Like who? Foye? I'd say he had plenty of opportunity to show what he could do.

we were building chemistry with foye and jefferson,the whole team started to click before al went down,the thing this team lacked the most was a true pg which we could of added with flynn

when foye was force to carry the team its when he started to go bad,hes not the main guy on offense hes like the 3rd or 4th option
we really should of testedfoye out as the 6th man on this teams and started miller

plus you dont think Foye and miller would be better for a team at the deadline ???? esp one thats after a big time free agent,maybe we could of got a Josh Howard at the deadline ???

[Worm Guts]

we were building chemistry with foye and jefferson,the whole team started to click before al went down,the thing this team lacked the most was a true pg which we could of added with flynn

when foye was force to carry the team its when he started to go bad,hes not the main guy on offense hes like the 3rd or 4th option
we really should of testedfoye out as the 6th man on this teams and started miller

plus you dont think Foye and miller would be better for a team at the deadline ???? esp one thats after a big time free agent,maybe we could of got a Josh Howard at the deadline ???

If you don't think Jefferson is good enough to be the #1 on a championship team, I think trading Foye and Miller for Rubio made a ton of sense. Why would push forward with a team you don't think has the talent to contend? I don't know if Rubio will be a stud in the NBA, or even ever play for the Wolves, but he at least has a shot to be a great player which is more than you can say about Foye, Miller or even Josh Howard. And I'm not sure we have any less of shot at someone like Josh Howard now than we would have if we hadn't made the trade. We still have enough expirings to cover his contract.
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[wolves_fan_82au]

we were building chemistry with foye and jefferson,the whole team started to click before al went down,the thing this team lacked the most was a true pg which we could of added with flynn

when foye was force to carry the team its when he started to go bad,hes not the main guy on offense hes like the 3rd or 4th option
we really should of testedfoye out as the 6th man on this teams and started miller

plus you dont think Foye and miller would be better for a team at the deadline ???? esp one thats after a big time free agent,maybe we could of got a Josh Howard at the deadline ???

If you don't think Jefferson is good enough to be the #1 on a championship team, I think trading Foye and Miller for Rubio made a ton of sense. Why would push forward with a team you don't think has the talent to contend? I don't know if Rubio will be a stud in the NBA, or even ever play for the Wolves, but he at least has a shot to be a great player which is more than you can say about Foye, Miller or even Josh Howard. And I'm not sure we have any less of shot at someone like Josh Howard now than we would have if we hadn't made the trade. We still have enough expirings to cover his contract.
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but you see do you think dallas or atlkanta would rather have expiry's or expiry's and players that can help them win now
Miller is a vet and he would be a lot better than say a cardinal ,which means we would have a lot better chance of getting a marvin williams or a josh howard with miller/foye

but yes i guess these guys wont help us contend,we still need a #1 option that will have to be done through the draft
cause i dont think we can buy one

[Esohny]

We aren't getting a young, talented starter like Marvin Williams for Miller unless we throw in a heck of a lot more. So the only kind of player we get is a knucklehead like Josh Howard or a someone who is seriously overpaid...I'll take trading two expirings for a great asset instead of rolling them over into mediocre/overpaid players.

[Worm Guts]

but you see do you think dallas or atlkanta would rather have expiry's or expiry's and players that can help them win now
Miller is a vet and he would be a lot better than say a cardinal ,which means we would have a lot better chance of getting a marvin williams or a josh howard with miller/foye

There are some teams that would prefer productive expirings, there are some that would prefer draft picks or a prospect like Rubio to go with. Dallas has a long way to go to get under the cap next year, though. I don't think they can or that it's even a goal for them.

[wolves_fan_82au]

but you see do you think dallas or atlkanta would rather have expiry's or expiry's and players that can help them win now
Miller is a vet and he would be a lot better than say a cardinal ,which means we would have a lot better chance of getting a marvin williams or a josh howard with miller/foye

There are some teams that would prefer productive expirings, there are some that would prefer draft picks or a prospect like Rubio to go with. Dallas has a long way to go to get under the cap next year, though. I don't think they can or that it's even a goal for them.

ahh dont worry about howard i just relized hes got a team option anyways so i doubt they do the trade,and if they do let him go we could probley pick him up in the free agency anyways

[Wolves2011]

In two years Rubio will be the equivalent of a first pick in the draft in a trade
[If we dont choose to keep him.]

Did we maximize the value for Foye and Miller for this season, NO

But could we have traded Foye and Miller for a #1 pick in the draft, HELL NO.

As long as Rubio gets stronger and his jumper improves getting Rubio was a very smart move.

[Devilzsidewalk]

In two years Rubio will be the equivalent of a first pick in the draft in a trade
[If we dont choose to keep him.]
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number one pick ahead of Harrison Barnes!!!??? no wai ho zay

[wolves_fan_82au]

In two years Rubio will be the equivalent of a first pick in the draft in a trade
[If we dont choose to keep him.]

Did we maximize the value for Foye and Miller for this season, NO

But could we have traded Foye and Miller for a #1 pick in the draft, HELL NO.

As long as Rubio gets stronger and his jumper improves getting Rubio was a very smart move.

we still dont know if he will even come over yet
i can just tell letting go of foye will be a huge mistake,people on this board forget what he done in hes first couple of years how he used to be really good in 4th quaters
there the type of players you need to win games on a team

[Wolves2011]

Why would we miss foye?

Foye was an undersized shooting guard who we wanted to play PG.

He FAILED as a PG.

In the offseason we picked up the #13 ranked PG in the NBA ranked by PER.

Foye's stats are clearly inferior to Sessions and Sessions probably costs less than Foye [Foye would have been a restricted free agent this season and was looking for a big payday.]

But as the stats below show he was VERY overrated.

See stats below.


Look at their PER's.

Foye
2006 - 14.03
2007 - 12.90
2008 - 13.76

Sessions
2008 - 17.65 [Ranked 13th among PG on ESPN's site]

Almost half his minutes last year were as SG [He would have ranked 11th in PER as SG.]
[really his rookie year last year because he only played in 17 games his first season when his PER was 16.48]

Hollinger calls Session the most under rated player in the NBA.

Clearly better than Foye at both PG and SG.

[moss_is_1]

Why would we miss foye?

Foye was an undersized shooting guard who we wanted to play PG.

He FAILED as a PG.

In the offseason we picked up the #13 ranked PG in the NBA ranked by PER.

Foye's stats are clearly inferior to Sessions and Sessions probably costs less than Foye [Foye would have been a restricted free agent this season and was looking for a big payday.]

But as the stats below show he was VERY overrated.

See stats below.


Look at their PER's.

Foye
2006 - 14.03
2007 - 12.90
2008 - 13.76

Sessions
2008 - 17.65 [Ranked 13th among PG on ESPN's site]

Almost half his minutes last year were as SG [He would have ranked 11th in PER as SG.]
[really his rookie year last year because he only played in 17 games his first season when his PER was 16.48]

Hollinger calls Session the most under rated player in the NBA.

Clearly better than Foye at both PG and SG.

That's really interesting....Sessions is a pimp, I already knew that before but those numbers make me happy.

[Wolves2011]

Unless there are injuries, or the wolves start very slow, they should have at least 35 wins.

35 wins is just about 10th plus or minus 2 or 3 slots.

And if other teams moved up in the lottery.. .most years at least one and as many as three teams have....we lose out #1 pick to the clippers.

[cpfsf]

vrooom

[Wolves2011]

The wolves have played reasonably well even though they are 1 & 4. Love is still out.

If Wolves finish in the top 8 for Draft picks, they could still be pushed out of the Top 10 and lose the their first round pick to the Clippers, if the ping pong balls fall the wrong way.

Nets 0 & 5 [team we beat]
Knicks 1 & 4
Pacers 1 & 3
Bucks 1 & 2
Grizzlies 1 & 4
Clippers 1 & 4 [beat us]
Kings 1 & 4
Warriors 1 & 2

Teams we are competing with for Lottery. There are nine of them plus our Wolves. 10 teams.....

Want to see the wolves do well, but not lose their lottery pick.

[hotshotschamp]

The wolves have played reasonably well even though they are 1 & 4. Love is still out.

If Wolves finish in the top 8 for Draft picks, they could still be pushed out of the Top 10 and lose the their first round pick to the Clippers, if the ping pong balls fall the wrong way.

Nets 0 & 5 [team we beat]
Knicks 1 & 4
Pacers 1 & 3
Bucks 1 & 2
Grizzlies 1 & 4
Clippers 1 & 4 [beat us]
Kings 1 & 4
Warriors 1 & 2

Teams we are competing with for Lottery. There are nine of them plus our Wolves. 10 teams.....

Want to see the wolves do well, but not lose their lottery pick.

with nets and kings have injuries to key people, i see them finishing possibly below us. Losing Kevin martin is huge for the kings, and harris and yi for the nets really hurts.

Twolves have been pretty close in every game, unless AL gets hurt or something, twolves will probably finish ahead of 4-5 teams which is somewhat surprising.