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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#21 » by AQuintus » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:10 am

Narf wrote:I said 10 minutes per game


You said 10 to 12, just like I did.

, and you think he's our primary backup?


No, I don't think he's anything because he won't make the team. Whoever is the 3rd string Point likely won't get more than garbage minutes, though. There are 96 minutes a game at the Point and Shooting Guard spots. I expect both Sessions and Flynn to get at least 30 minutes per game. So, that leaves 36 between Brewer (should also get time at SF), Pavlovic (should also get time at SF), and Ellington.

He's the 3rd PG/3rd SG (4th including Sessions). You should be comparing him to Bayless, not Fernandez.


Bayless isn't going to get any minutes this year, either.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#22 » by B Calrissian » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:10 am

Narf wrote:I said 10 minutes per game, and you think he's our primary backup?
He's the 3rd PG/4th SG (including Sessions). You should be comparing him to Bayless, not Fernandez.


Hmm I do agree that we could compare Bayless to McClinton since Bayless will get little to no minutes this year just like McClinton would on the Wolves. Certainly not 10 per game. What teams have a "3rd PG/4th SG" getting 10 minutes a game? Do their 1st - 3rd SGs get 10-16 minutes a game?

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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#23 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:14 am

B Calrissian wrote:
Narf wrote:I said 10 minutes per game, and you think he's our primary backup?
He's the 3rd PG/4th SG (including Sessions). You should be comparing him to Bayless, not Fernandez.


Hmm I do agree that we could compare Bayless to McClinton since Bayless will get little to no minutes this year just like McClinton would on the Wolves. Certainly not 10 per game. What teams have a "3rd PG/4th SG" getting 10 minutes a game? Do their 1st - 3rd SGs get 10-16 minutes a game?

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If Bayless could shoot 43% from 3 he would.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#24 » by AQuintus » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:16 am

Narf wrote:If Bayless could shoot 43% from 3 he would.


Bayless shot 40.7% from 3 his one year in college and was actually drafted in the first round (in the lottery at that), and he still won't play.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#25 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:21 am

AQuintus wrote:
Narf wrote:If Bayless could shoot 43% from 3 he would.


Bayless shot 40.7% from 3 his one year in college and was actually drafted in the first round (in the lottery at that), and he still won't play.
He played in 53 games last year, averaging 12.4 MPG and he's on a team with far more talent in front of him at the guard position. Portland wouldn't trade him for Hinrich, if rumors are to be believed. I don't think the facts support you here.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#26 » by B Calrissian » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:22 am

Narf wrote:
AQuintus wrote:
Narf wrote:If Bayless could shoot 43% from 3 he would.


Bayless shot 40.7% from 3 his one year in college and was actually drafted in the first round (in the lottery at that), and he still won't play.
He played in 53 games last year, averaging 12.4 MPG and he's on a team with far more talent in front of him at the guard position. I don't think the facts support you here.


HA. The facts don't support him?
What about Andre Miller? Is he not going to get any minutes?

And what does his 3PT% have to do with anything?
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#27 » by Wolves2011 » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:24 am

Wolves2011 wrote:This is how I think the minutes should be divided.

C - Jefferson 33 minutes [fewer early in the year - injury recovery], Hollins 10 minutes, Love 5 minutes

PF - Love 31 minutes, Hollins 10 minutes, Gomes 7 minutes

SF - Pavlovic 25 minutes, Gomes 15 minutes, Brewer 8 minutes

SG - Brewer 22 minutes, Sessions 16 minutes, Ellington 10 minutes

PG - Flynn 30 minutes, Sessions 18 minutes

[Team promised Flynn he would start. Though Sessions has been the best guard on the team in camp.]

Maybe Gomes and Sasha more and Brewer less.

He can't seem to get his act together on the offensive end.

The wolves also didn't have many fast break points.

But I've never been impressed with Brewer's offensive game.

Pavlovic has been better than Gomes in camp on both shooting and defense.

Pavlovic, Gomes and Brewers minutes could change based on how they play. Gomes has 22, Pavlovic 25 and Brewer 30. Gomes could get more at SF if Pavlovic fails there, and Pavlovic could get more at SG if Corey's shooting or handle are not up to the proper grade.

It will be interesting to see if Kurt lets Flynn play through his learning curve, or eases him in if he has trouble absorbing so much at once.

Jefferson gets only 33 minutes because he starts the year with about 30 minutes per game, [Wolves start the November with 9 games in 14 days, Jefferson will probably need to rest his knee somewhat, but we'll see.]

The two guys we'll be able to count on most in the early season are Love - 36 minutes, and Sessions - 34 minutes.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#28 » by B Calrissian » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:25 am

Wolves2011 wrote:
Wolves2011 wrote:This is how I think the minutes should be divided.

C - Jefferson 33 minutes [fewer early in the year - injury recovery], Hollins 10 minutes, Love 5 minutes

PF - Love 31 minutes, Hollins 10 minutes, Gomes 7 minutes

SF - Pavlovic 25 minutes, Gomes 15 minutes, Brewer 8 minutes

SG - Brewer 22 minutes, Sessions 16 minutes, Ellington 10 minutes

PG - Flynn 30 minutes, Sessions 18 minutes

[Team promised Flynn he would start. Though Sessions has been the best guard on the team in camp.]

Maybe Gomes and Sasha more and Brewer less.

He can't seem to get his act together on the offensive end.

The wolves also didn't have many fast break points.

But I've never been impressed with Brewer's offensive game.

Pavlovic has been better than Gomes in camp on both shooting and defense.

Pavlovic, Gomes and Brewers minutes could change based on how they play. Gomes has 22, Pavlovic 25 and Brewer 30. Gomes could get more at SF if Pavlovic fails there, and Pavlovic could get more at SG if Corey's shooting or handle are not up to the proper grade.

It will be interesting to see if Kurt lets Flynn play through his learning curve, or eases him in if he has trouble absorbing so much at once.

Jefferson gets only 33 minutes because he starts the year with about 30 minutes per game, [Wolves start the November with 9 games in 14 days, Jefferson will probably need to rest his knee somewhat, but we'll see.]

The two guys we'll be able to count on most in the early season are Love - 36 minutes, and Sessions - 34 minutes.


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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#29 » by Wolves2011 » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:36 am

B Calrissian wrote:
Wolves2011 wrote:
Wolves2011 wrote:This is how I think the minutes should be divided.

C - Jefferson 33 minutes [fewer early in the year - injury recovery], Hollins 10 minutes, Love 5 minutes

PF - Love 31 minutes, Hollins 10 minutes, Gomes 7 minutes

SF - Pavlovic 25 minutes, Gomes 15 minutes, Brewer 8 minutes

SG - Brewer 22 minutes, Sessions 16 minutes, Ellington 10 minutes

PG - Flynn 30 minutes, Sessions 18 minutes

[Team promised Flynn he would start. Though Sessions has been the best guard on the team in camp.]

Maybe Gomes and Sasha more and Brewer less.

He can't seem to get his act together on the offensive end.

The wolves also didn't have many fast break points.

But I've never been impressed with Brewer's offensive game.

Pavlovic has been better than Gomes in camp on both shooting and defense.

Pavlovic, Gomes and Brewers minutes could change based on how they play. Gomes has 22, Pavlovic 25 and Brewer 30. Gomes could get more at SF if Pavlovic fails there, and Pavlovic could get more at SG if Corey's shooting or handle are not up to the proper grade.

It will be interesting to see if Kurt lets Flynn play through his learning curve, or eases him in if he has trouble absorbing so much at once.

Jefferson gets only 33 minutes because he starts the year with about 30 minutes per game, [Wolves start the November with 9 games in 14 days, Jefferson will probably need to rest his knee somewhat, but we'll see.]

The two guys we'll be able to count on most in the early season are Love - 36 minutes, and Sessions - 34 minutes.


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didn't post...sorry.,.. was saying Brewer's minutes will go down and Sasha/Gome's go up if Brewer can't get his act together on offense....

Sasha is also a very good defender...
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#30 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:36 am

B Calrissian wrote:HA. The facts don't support him?
What about Andre Miller? Is he not going to get any minutes?

And what does his 3PT% have to do with anything?
We might have a comparable PG corps, but we don't have Roy and Fernandez at SG. Sessions will shift to SG unlike Blake/Miller and we have 2 slashing PGs and 3 post players in the rotation with Brewer. Our guards are not comparable to theirs, and McClinton is better at shooting than anyone on our team. He'll get time if he makes the team.

As far as facts not supporting you, Portland had more guard depth last year than the Wolves have this year and Bayless was their 3rd PG.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#31 » by Wolves2011 » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:38 am

Narf wrote:We might have a comparable PG corps, but we don't have Roy and Fernandez at SG. Sessions will shift to SG unlike Blake/Miller and we have 2 slashing PGs and 3 post players in the rotation with Brewer. Our guards are not comparable to theirs, and McClinton is better at shooting than anyone on our team. He'll get time if he makes the team.



Brewer as a rotation player in the post??

He plays SF/SG... and nowhere else... at least to this point in his NBA career...
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#32 » by Narf » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:41 am

Wolves2011 wrote:Brewer as a rotation player in the post??

He plays SF/SG... and nowhere else... at least to this point in his NBA career...
No, 3 post players and Brewer. Love, Jefferson, and Hollins are the post players and Brewer on the Wing = a need for more outside shooting. Not to mention someone who can create their own shot at a high efficiency.
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Re: How should the teams minutes to divided? 

Post#33 » by B Calrissian » Mon Oct 5, 2009 1:50 am

Narf wrote:
B Calrissian wrote:HA. The facts don't support him?
What about Andre Miller? Is he not going to get any minutes?

And what does his 3PT% have to do with anything?
We might have a comparable PG corps, but we don't have Roy and Fernandez at SG. Sessions will shift to SG unlike Blake/Miller and we have 2 slashing PGs and 3 post players in the rotation with Brewer. Our guards are not comparable to theirs, and McClinton is better at shooting than anyone on our team. He'll get time if he makes the team.

As far as facts not supporting you, Portland had more guard depth last year than the Wolves have this year and Bayless was their 3rd PG.


Why is it that Sessions can shift to SG but Miller can't? Miller has much more strength to cover SGs than Sessions does.
Yes, last year the Blazers had alot more talent at SG than the Wolves do this year. At PG? No. Steve Blake and Sergio Rodriguez?
Common sense is always going to win over your ever changing "facts".

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