"Angry Blue Jays turn on manager Gaston: Reports"

[s e n s i]

Managers and coaches lose their clubhouses and locker rooms all the time, but you hardly ever see players go whining to the media about it while the season is still going. I thought it was low for whoever these guys are to go public with this instead of keeping it in house. If they really do have a problem with Cito they should have gone to Beeston first because from the looks of it he didn't even know about this until now.

The clowns didn't even didn't even have the balls to have their names printed along with the quotes.

Yo man, watch who you're calling a clown! Aaron Hill and Adam Lind have earned the Rasho right to do whatever the hell they please!

[BasketballAbyss]

Bah. From all these reports, it seems like it's the players are crying because Cito is being "too hard" on them. Well you guys are the ones playing like **** (with the exception of Lind, Hill, and Doc). And going to the media about your problems isn't the best thing to do, as rkid mentioned.

But this is not to say that I agreed with all the things that Cito did as a manager. Many of the things he did made me scratch my head. But in the end the players are the ones that impact the game.

If 9 or 10 players don't want Cito back, the hell with them. We don't need **** players on this team...unless any of those players are Hill, Lind or Doc haha. Hell, I don't even mind if we hire a new manager. I just hate that it seems these players are trying to put blame on Cito, when they should be looking at their own performances on the field.

[Raps in 4]

Cito has always been a weak "manager" but good "motivator". I think motivation is more important than managing skills in a sport like baseball. It would be best if we could find a guy with both, but I think Gaston deserves to keep his job here. He's just trying to motivate these losers, and some of them aren't liking his approach (he wants them to win, but they're content with losing).

[Mike Hunt]

I hate Cito's managerial style. Never really liked it (the winning years blinded me to it early). That being said, I think these comments are pretty typical of loser-type players and the Jays roster is loaded with them. You see it in every sport. A team under-achieves greatly and the players bitch and whine about the coach/manager. It happened last year with the Montreal Canadiens and Guy Carbonneau. Several years ago, Tom Coughlin went into New York to coach the Giants. The team wasn't winning and all this talk about clubhouse dissention and some very whiney quotes from players came out. A couple minor roster moves later (ie, getting rid of a quotee or two) the Giants became a force and Tom Coughlin is loved.

Did Cito manage the guys on the field well? No. His love of veterans is frustrating when most people would rather he have a love of talent.

Were Cito's quotes anything other than exactly right? No. He said that the only players that played up to where they should have were Lind and Hill. Well, look at the stats. They don't lie. Overbay was awful this year as were Rios and Wells. Snyder had such struggles that he had to go back down to AAA. Rolen was having a great year but, left. Scutaro's the only other position player who played pretty well (slightly above expectations. I guess Barajas might fit in that category too if you disregard batting average.

[why22]

i really hate how all these crappy players(aside form lind snider hill and halladay) can blame the coach for their bad play. i think the new gm should overhaul the enitre roster aside from those 4

[LLJ]

Apparently on the fan 590 Wulner said there were close to 9 players who told him personally they were not pleased with him. Something about him being an old school coach who's not approachable.

I think he tried to light a fire under their asses and they didn't like it. I know he called out Vernon/Rios and he said Doc should be traded. That's ballsy.

I've always liked Cito but it's obvious he's not doing Snider any favours or Accardo or JMac or even Jesse L.

This offseason is going to be crazy - either they keep Cito and get him a veteran laden squad through trades of they rebuild and can him because he's not doing the youth any favours. I really have no clue what's going to happen.

Yep Willner said 9 to 10 players don't want Cito to come back next year. What a crazy and sad year it has been for the Jays.

Not that I don't believe Wilner, but he was still fighting for JP right to the bitter end. Local news outlets even used clips of him saying how Jays fans would "regret" wanting JP out. I seriously wanted to slap my TV when I heard him say that. So I can definitely see him trying to turn the blame elsewhere and blowing it up more than it actually is.

I still believe it's more like 3 or 4 players really wanting Cito out. The rest probably either don't care or don't have a problem. I'm also definitely sure Vernon is the ringleader.

[RockTHECasbah]

Lyle Overbay had a comparatively good season

[YogiStewart]

i asked my Jays' source if there was any chance JP was behind the leak to FOX sports.
he said "possibly".

later today, on the FAN, i heard them talking to Bob Elliot about the exact same thing.

hrm.

[Modern_epic]

Apparently on the fan 590 Wulner said there were close to 9 players who told him personally they were not pleased with him. Something about him being an old school coach who's not approachable.

I think he tried to light a fire under their asses and they didn't like it. I know he called out Vernon/Rios and he said Doc should be traded. That's ballsy.

I've always liked Cito but it's obvious he's not doing Snider any favours or Accardo or JMac or even Jesse L.

This offseason is going to be crazy - either they keep Cito and get him a veteran laden squad through trades of they rebuild and can him because he's not doing the youth any favours. I really have no clue what's going to happen.

Yep Willner said 9 to 10 players don't want Cito to come back next year. What a crazy and sad year it has been for the Jays.

Not that I don't believe Wilner, but he was still fighting for JP right to the bitter end. Local news outlets even used clips of him saying how Jays fans would "regret" wanting JP out. I seriously wanted to slap my TV when I heard him say that. So I can definitely see him trying to turn the blame elsewhere and blowing it up more than it actually is.

I still believe it's more like 3 or 4 players really wanting Cito out. The rest probably either don't care or don't have a problem. I'm also definitely sure Vernon is the ringleader.

Wilner is of of about four reporters to make that claim. But even assuming you are right, everything points to Aaron Hill being one that 3 or 4. And Aaron Hill is far more important to this team than Cito Gaston.

[Dr Positivity]

Good, we should go back to being patient at the plate and looking for walks anyways. I don't see the logic behind the free-swinging/old baseball type of thinking

[Schad]

Good, we should go back to being patient at the plate and looking for walks anyways. I don't see the logic behind the free-swinging/old baseball type of thinking

There are degrees of both, though; under Denbo, we were exceedingly patient...and painfully lacking hitting ability. Our slash stats this year speak to a decent balance: a walk rate of 8.6% (vs. a league rate of 8.8%) and 174 points iso power (league rate: 161), and while losing Scutaro will really hurt our OBP, a full season of ABs for Snider will offset his loss to an extent.

[s e n s i]

I want to keep Scoots.

[Schad]

I wanted the picks instead, but given his injury it is somewhat doubtful that a team will pay him and surrender a pick to do so. He might end up taking arbitration (he should get a decent number) and sticking around for another year.