Realgm's Top Ten negative assets - FINAL RESULTS!!

[stuporman]

No Jerome James? List fail......

Seriously, Isiah should have the pen slapped out of his hands for life for signing possibly the three worst contracts in the league in Curry, James and Jefferies. In a restaurant signing the check, signing an autograph, even on the crapper doing the crossword puzzle....wherever, just slapped clean out of his hands....

Although Jefferies did hit three 3s in a row the first preseason game. He's been reported to be knocking them down all camp, too. We'll see though......lol.

[john2jer]

No Jerome James? List fail......

Seriously, Isiah should have the pen slapped out of his hands for life for signing possibly the three worst contracts in the league in Curry, James and Jefferies. In a restaurant signing the check, signing an autograph, even on the crapper doing the crossword puzzle....wherever, just slapped clean out of his hands....

Although Jefferies did hit three 3s in a row the first preseason game. He's been reported to be knocking them down all camp, too. We'll see though......lol.

Welcome to 2009 where Jerome James is an expiring, insurance paid contract. His contract is actually a positive asset for the Bulls to move for talent from a team that's in need of saving money.

[stuporman]

No Jerome James? List fail......

Seriously, Isiah should have the pen slapped out of his hands for life for signing possibly the three worst contracts in the league in Curry, James and Jefferies. In a restaurant signing the check, signing an autograph, even on the crapper doing the crossword puzzle....wherever, just slapped clean out of his hands....

Although Jefferies did hit three 3s in a row the first preseason game. He's been reported to be knocking them down all camp, too. We'll see though......lol.

Welcome to 2009 where Jerome James is an expiring, insurance paid contract. His contract is actually a positive asset for the Bulls to move for talent from a team that's in need of saving money.

Welcome to the CBA where he needs to have not played for a whole year to qualify and then also pass an examination by league doctors who verify he's medically unable to play. Not just cause the Bulls want him to be.

[turk3d]

Regardless of how much of a boat anchor AK47 has been to the Jazz the past several years, I think that they will not make a trade with a division rival which they think could come back and bite them and hence refuse to accept these teams as trade partners (another good example which has players which could defnitely help them with their immediate cap situation such as Golden State who would be willing to pick up AK).

[loserX]

Welcome to 2009 where Jerome James is an expiring, insurance paid contract. His contract is actually a positive asset for the Bulls to move for talent from a team that's in need of saving money.

Welcome to the CBA where he needs to have not played for a whole year to qualify and then also pass an examination by league doctors who verify he's medically unable to play. Not just cause the Bulls want him to be.

You are confusing insurance payments (the thing a lot of injured players get) with the medical retirement exemption (the thing Darius Miles got until the Grizzlies signed him). If James misses enough games due to injury, insurance will pick up 80% of his contract. He doesn't have to wait a year.

[john2jer]

No Jerome James? List fail......

Seriously, Isiah should have the pen slapped out of his hands for life for signing possibly the three worst contracts in the league in Curry, James and Jefferies. In a restaurant signing the check, signing an autograph, even on the crapper doing the crossword puzzle....wherever, just slapped clean out of his hands....

Although Jefferies did hit three 3s in a row the first preseason game. He's been reported to be knocking them down all camp, too. We'll see though......lol.

Welcome to 2009 where Jerome James is an expiring, insurance paid contract. His contract is actually a positive asset for the Bulls to move for talent from a team that's in need of saving money.

Welcome to the CBA where he needs to have not played for a whole year to qualify and then also pass an examination by league doctors who verify he's medically unable to play. Not just cause the Bulls want him to be.

Wrong. And even if you were somehow right, he's still an expiring contract. He's a Brian Cardinal who would play only slightly less. That's not a negative asset. At worst it's neutral. So again, welcome to 2009.

[stuporman]

You people are forgetting that as a Knick fan I learned how it works with Houston going through it once already. Insurance isn't just going to pick up millions of dollars out of the kindness of their heart, you must be joking if you think they would. They want confirmation through the league declaring him unable to perform due to injury before they pay back salary paid by the franchise. Jerome James is trying to play again. He wants to play again and it would take medical staff determining he can't play. Not just the Bulls medical staff, a league staff. Like just happened with Mobley, as well.

I'm sure the Bulls want him to be declared unfit to play but it's not just their decision.

Not to mention you think an expiring is this magic thing that everyone just wants. Sure everyone wants to clear cap space for this off season. Although it's not going to magically turn into a desirable player. The Knicks have a contract already being paid by insurance for more than what James is owed. They haven't been able to turn it into a valuable player. It's not that easy. Teams don't want to give up good players just for salary savings let alone just for the hope that insurance will pay them back if the league determines James can't play because of injury. Being fat isn't going to cut it. They'll give up a mediocre one with a longer contract but where's the value in that? LOL.....bit of wishful thinking on Bulls fans.

Welcome to reality....

[Zarko]

Marcus Banks?
Matt Carroll?

[lakerfan10770]

I know it's not all about the money, but it mostly is. So just going over the list, here is how the players rank as far as largest contracts in the NBA:

1. Eddy Curry - 86th (2yrs $21,777,286)
2. Peja Stojakovic - 67th (2yrs 27,648,000)
3. DeSagana Diop - T69th (4yrs $26,808,000)
T-4. Beno Udrih - T69th (4yrs $26,808,000)
T-4. Baron Davis - 21st (4yrs $53,750,000)
6. Gilbert Arenas - 1st (5yrs $96,346,540)
7. Elton Brand - 6th (4yrs $66,037,656)
8. Rashard Lewis - 3rd (4yrs $81,420,684)
9. Luke Walton - 84th (4yrs $21,880,000)
10. Corey Maggette - 34th (4yrs $39,724,138)

Just as an FYI, here are the current top 10 largest contracts in the NBA:

1. Gilbert Arenas - 5yrs $96,346,540
2. Brandon Roy - 6yrs $85,709,844 (signed 5yr max extension this summer, using this years numbers)
3. Rashard Lewis - 4yrs $81,420,684
4. Dwight Howard - 4yrs $69,477,900
5. Andre Iguodala - 5yrs $68,700,000
6. Elton Brand - 4yrs $66,037,656
T7. Chris Paul - 4yrs $62,599,918
T7. Deron Williams - 4yrs $62,599,918
9. Emeka Okafor - 5yrs $62,462,500
10. Tim Duncan - 3yrs $62,183,220

[john2jer]

You people are forgetting that as a Knick fan I learned how it works with Houston going through it once already. Insurance isn't just going to pick up millions of dollars out of the kindness of their heart, you must be joking if you think they would. They want confirmation through the league declaring him unable to perform due to injury before they pay back salary paid by the franchise. Jerome James is trying to play again. He wants to play again and it would take medical staff determining he can't play. Not just the Bulls medical staff, a league staff. Like just happened with Mobley, as well.

I'm sure the Bulls want him to be declared unfit to play but it's not just their decision.

Not to mention you think an expiring is this magic thing that everyone just wants. Sure everyone wants to clear cap space for this off season. Although it's not going to magically turn into a desirable player. The Knicks have a contract already being paid by insurance for more than what James is owed. They haven't been able to turn it into a valuable player. It's not that easy. Teams don't want to give up good players just for salary savings let alone just for the hope that insurance will pay them back if the league determines James can't play because of injury. Being fat isn't going to cut it. They'll give up a mediocre one with a longer contract but where's the value in that? LOL.....bit of wishful thinking on Bulls fans.

Welcome to reality....

So what you're saying is you don't understand why Mobley hasn't been traded by the Knicks for a longer contract of a useful player at 9.5mil? Are you not in tune with what the Knicks have been aiming for? The 2010 cap space is what the Knicks desired out of obtaining Mobley's contract.

At the very worst Jerome James is a neutral asset because he's an expiring. No one said he's going to bring a "valuable player" in a trade, it's the cap space they get from his expiring deal that they desire. Negative assets hinder your team from obtaining other assets. If the Bulls could magically make Jerome James go away today, it wouldn't change anything as they're not over the lux, and dropping his contract wouldn't get them under the salary cap. No one's saying Jerome James is some huge trading chip, but he's no where near a negative asset, especially at the level of this list. Maybe if he was signed for 2+ more years, but not as an expiring contract, and especially not if he does end up getting covered by insurance. It's been 54 regular season games since he last played. I think he's already eligible, isn't he?

[Nicky Nix Nook]

This isn't top overpaid contracts. It's top NEGATIVE ASSETS. Contracts obviously play into that but it's not the only factor.

I definitely agree that Lewis shouldn't be on this list.

Varejao will be a terrible contract in a year or two.

LOL at Udrih over Curry. Udrih is actually serviceable, can't say the same for Curry.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

Marcus Banks?
Matt Carroll?

These are actually NEGATIVE assets. They are bad and have bad contracts as opposed to good players who are overpaid.

[loserX]

Marcus Banks?
Matt Carroll?

These are actually NEGATIVE assets. They are bad and have bad contracts as opposed to good players who are overpaid.

It is kind of funny to see Diop at #3 and Carroll nowhere on the list. Weren't they just traded for each other? I had no idea it was that horrible a trade for Charlotte...

[stuporman]

I know exactly why the Knicks haven't traded Mobley. No team has offered a good player in trade for him. The point of cap space is to sign a good player, one who helps the team win. Another way of getting one is trading for them. In fact, very few players who impact a team, bringing them to a title contention, get signed as FAs. Most come to teams by two other methods than they do signed as FAs.

So why all the rage about getting under the cap if few FAs make a title type impact? Financial flexibility.

An expiring contract only helps if another team, fearing they will lose their good player for nothing, wants to get something for them. Usually young players and picks don't have enough salary to equal up. So an expiring is needed to make the salary fit under the CBA rules. Sure another reason it to cut costs but few teams are willing to blatantly unload quality players in a salary dump and piss off the paying customers. Especially if it means ending any hope of fielding a team that can compete, it doesn't sell tickets.

I bet few of the bigger named FAs that are or potentially will be entering the 2010 ever make it there without being traded or resigned. Obviously if a team is playing for something in the spring their respective teams will take that chance but if it nears the trade deadline and a team looks like they aren't going to make noise in the playoffs let alone make it there. Rather than have their FA finds greener pastures elsewhere they will trade them for something of value. Or even if they have them under contract for 2-3 year, financial burdens will overcome competitive aspirations and they will trade them for young players, picks and an expiring or two.

James has no value as a player and his contract is fortunately for the Bulls an expiring. But it doesn't make him neutral value. The Bulls would have to be including him with desirable assets to get anything of value, not just on his own being an expiring will do it. There are plenty of expiring contracts attached to players that have some value on the court. Why trade for a blob of no value when you could trade for a player that has some value? In hopes he eats himself into an contract paid by insurance? LOL....dream on. His contract is negative value...period. The Bulls have to pay it and are getting nothing for it. Nobody is trading anything for him.

The only reason the Bulls traded for him is he was salary equalizer in a trade they were trying to unload a player who they didn't want and pay for to get a player who could help some, plus they got some salary relief with TT expiring last season and Hughes had another year.

The only reason James didn't make the list is he is an expiring contract, if it had two years on it he'd be there, but even still his contract is negative value. Not neutral. Don't delude yourself. The Bulls pay it and get nothing. So in mathematical terms : nothing minus something equals negative value.

[azuresou1]

This list is garbage. A player like Nocioni, who has a long contract for a sizable amount of money, is far worse of a contract that someone like Corey Maggette, who is also overpaid, for a similar duration, but actually contributes something tangible to the team.

[john2jer]

But Jerome James contract is expiring, it doesn't have 2 years on it, thus he doesn't belong on this list. You're the one that bagged on the list because Jerome wasn't on it. Clearly you don't understand the list, or you don't understand the value of an expiring contract compared the ugly contracts on this list.

If Jerome had two years? If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hopped.

[shrink]

The only reason James didn't make the list is he is an expiring contract ..

And the only reason Dwight Howard didn't make the list is because he's not paid $60 mil a year, and the only reason LeBron didn't make the list is because he's so good at basketball.

Why are we talking about Jerome James? He is what he is, and that includes contract length. At worst, he gives a team nothing for $6.6 mil, and then he has no effect 9 months from now. There are many many more damaging players than he.

[OGSactownballer]

This list just shows what a joke the majority of FAN opinions are on the trade board here. None of us can even KNOW whether or not hte GM's of these teams are even INTERESTED in trading any of these guys. I'm not stupid enough to mean the obvious idiot manuvers, but rather the commentary about guys like Rashard Lewis and otheres who are being paid star money because they ARE stars for THEIR team, and their value to other teams is really a moot point.

For an example. As an individual player last year, Lamar Odom had nowhere near the 14 million dollar value that he was paid. But for the Lakers who won the championship, his role play in that effort was worth EVERY PENNY that he was paid.

Far too often here, the "wow I really would like THAT guy on my team" mentality dominates, and people lose sight of the fact that it is the proper guys under the proper coach with the proper breaks that get a team to contending/championship level, and to have that, you will sometimes have guys that to another team/GM are not desirable for either fit or financial reasons.

[loserX]

For an example. As an individual player last year, Lamar Odom had nowhere near the 14 million dollar value that he was paid. But for the Lakers who won the championship, his role play in that effort was worth EVERY PENNY that he was paid.

And yet when it came time to re-sign him, the Lakers gave him a little more than half that $14M in the contract's first year. So it seems even the Lakers would disagree with you that he is worth as much as he got paid last year.

[stuporman]

But Jerome James contract is expiring, it doesn't have 2 years on it, thus he doesn't belong on this list. You're the one that bagged on the list because Jerome wasn't on it. Clearly you don't understand the list, or you don't understand the value of an expiring contract compared the ugly contracts on this list.

Clearly you don't understand value, general business practices or reality in general if you think Jerome James is neutral value or will be traded for anything on his own before he expires.