Bobcats - Atlanta October 12th

Bassman · Post #1 » by **Bassman** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:56 am

Just checked out the story and box score. No ability to see or listen to the game. Another loss, and the margin grew from previous games. "Starters" played more minutes. Just looking at the box/results, it looked more like last year's games. Crash leading scorer w/20pts, getting to the FT line (12 of 12...awesome!). Bell was HORRIBLE..1 or 8 shooting. I want to hear from all the Bell lovers, who practically said he could NOT be traded as his value to us was beyond his talent. Well, he'd better get with the program soon. Vlad was bad, 1 of 5. Ajinca fouled out in only 14 minutes...like I said, shades of last season.

Low Spots Overall: Shooting (40.6%), defense could have been better (Hawks shoot 46.7%) but it's hard to know from stats. Bright spots: Henderson w/13 pts, 4 of 6 plus 5 of 5 at the line; Cats outrebound the Hawks.

Looking forward to getting Chandler and Diaw going. Need to see a change of the GUARD....let Bell work to get his groove off the bench if he continues to shoot this poorly.

Post #2 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:34 am

The first mistake was playing Vladimir Radmanovic for significant minutes. He's a one-dimensional shooter who isn't a real stunner at that, and he's a turnstile on defense who doesn't rebound very well. I'd chalk that up to "it's a preseason game and Diaw sprained his ankle."

Augustin played 9 minutes, and instead of Flip (who didn't play), you ran Antonio Anderson, who shot poorly and turned the ball over a lot. Graham, Nazr, Bell, Radman and Anderson combined to shoot 8/31 (about 26%), which basically sunk the team. This despite a ridiculous bunch of refs giving out almost 80 FTAs.

Also, 22 to 13 in turnovers killed. Felton had 3, so did Bell, the other 3 starters each had 2, Henderson and Ajinca added 2 each and Anderson added 3. Atlanta scored 30 points off of those turnovers, while the Cats scored 12 off of the Hawks' 13 turnovers.

That right there pretty much decided the game. Also, the complete lack of success at stopping JJ, Jeff Teague, Bibby, Horford and Josh Smith hurt. They shot a combined 19/36 (about 53%).

Ugly, but it's preseason and key pieces weren't playing. There's no way Radman starts in the regular season, and you know that the shooting percentage was a bit of a fluke. Team eFG% for the Cats in this game was 42.0%; even last year, the Cats posted a team eFG% of 49.4% (which was actually 19th in the league, better than their overall efficiency, which suffered mainly because of posting the worst TOV% in the league and ranking only 19th in FT/FGA).

So the shooting was obviously a big single-game fluke.

Dexmor · Post #3 » by **Dexmor** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:00 am

6 fouls for Lexipro today.
He doesn't seem to be putting up bad numbers though.
Gerald Henderson's best game so far.

Post #4 » by **fatlever** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:02 am

in all fairness to vlad, he has played pretty well in the televised minutes ive watched this preseason. he's been tougher, better on defense (feel-o-meter) and making an effort to take the ball to the hoop. yeah, he's not a starting power forward by any means, but he's also not exactly the same player that most everyone saw camped out in the corner for a few years with the lakers. vlad will be solid off the bench this year.

i'm not too worried untl i see us play like this with diaw and chandler. and we still havent played a game at home.

no idea what is happening with bell right now but his stats are brutal. lets hope he finds his jumper soon.

amcoolio · Post #5 » by **amcoolio** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:04 am

Not panicking about the SG position yet, but I wonder what it would take to get S-Jax, and if its feasible that he could work with LB.

Battery · Post #6 » by **Battery** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:16 am

tsherkin wrote:The first mistake was playing Vladimir Radmanovic for significant minutes. He's a one-dimensional shooter who isn't a real stunner at that, and he's a turnstile on defense who doesn't rebound very well. I'd chalk that up to "it's a preseason game and Diaw sprained his ankle."

Augustin played 9 minutes, and instead of Flip (who didn't play), you ran Antonio Anderson, who shot poorly and turned the ball over a lot. Graham, Nazr, Bell, Radman and Anderson combined to shoot 8/31 (about 26%), which basically sunk the team. This despite a ridiculous bunch of refs giving out almost 80 FTAs.

Also, 22 to 13 in turnovers killed. Felton had 3, so did Bell, the other 3 starters each had 2, Henderson and Ajinca added 2 each and Anderson added 3. Atlanta scored 30 points off of those turnovers, while the Cats scored 12 off of the Hawks' 13 turnovers.

That right there pretty much decided the game. Also, the complete lack of success at stopping JJ, Jeff Teague, Bibby, Horford and Josh Smith hurt. They shot a combined 19/36 (about 53%).

Ugly, but it's preseason and key pieces weren't playing. There's no way Radman starts in the regular season, and you know that the shooting percentage was a bit of a fluke. Team eFG% for the Cats in this game was 42.0%; even last year, the Cats posted a team eFG% of 49.4% (which was actually 19th in the league, better than their overall efficiency, which suffered mainly because of posting the worst TOV% in the league and ranking only 19th in FT/FGA).

So the shooting was obviously a big single-game fluke.

I love such in depth analysis of a preseason game when 2 of our starters didn't even play nor did Murray while the Hawks had all their key pieces. Also (taking a page from you and Paydro's book) it seems the poor officiating was the reason why we lost because Larry Brown had to be escorted from the bench by security. I didn't watch this one, but I'll assume the God awful officiating had to unnerve our team and cost us the win.

On a side note, I'm most pleased with Crash going 12-12 from the line as our entire team shot well there at 84%.

Post #7 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:32 am

Battery wrote:I love such in depth analysis of a preseason game when 2 of our starters didn't even play nor did Murray while the Hawks had all their key pieces. Also (taking a page from you and Paydro's book) it seems the poor officiating was the reason why we lost because Larry Brown had to be escorted from the bench by security. I didn't watch this one, but I'll assume the God awful officiating had to unnerve our team and cost us the win.

Is there a particular reason you sound that sarcastic? I clearly noted that Flip and Diaw didn't play, that DJ barely played and that the bad shooting from the Cats was a big fluke. The whole point of my post was to play down the loss.

truthbtold21 · Post #8 » by **truthbtold21** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:33 am

amcoolio wrote:Not panicking about the SG position yet, but I wonder what it would take to get S-Jax, and if its feasible that he could work with LB.

that would be very interesting to see if we made a play for steven jackson,on the offensive end he would be an upgrade over bell,but do we have the cap space to make a trade like that.

Post #9 » by **fatlever** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:42 am

i always get nervous when discussing trading for players who are known jackasses. its like you want a trial period where you can call do-over after a few months if it doesnt work out. no doubt jackson has talent, but how long until he blows up again? i guess i would trade bell for him. not sure i would give up more than that.

Post #10 » by **fatlever** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:44 am

apparently lb got ejected tonight. wow. old man is getting fired up already.

Battery · Post #11 » by **Battery** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:56 am

tsherkin wrote:
Is there a particular reason you sound that sarcastic? I clearly noted that Flip and Diaw didn't play, that DJ barely played and that the bad shooting from the Cats was a big fluke. The whole point of my post was to play down the loss.

Huh? I said I LOVE such in depth analysis of a preseason game. I was complimenting you on the fact that even when we had two starters out, you still managed to do a bit of research on an obviously abysmal preseason game in which nobody watched and will be long forgotten when we wake up tomorrow.

I even referenced you and Paydro for giving me the tools necessary to come up for the reason why we lost the game even though I did not watch it.

So there, I'm already learning from you! :lol:

Post #12 » by **Paydro70** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:05 am

I hope they work the ref situation out...

Bell is old, but he also played just terribly in the first half of last season before picking it up in January. So perhaps he follows the same pattern?

Post #13 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:05 am

Battery wrote:Huh? I said I LOVE such in depth analysis of a preseason game. I was complimenting you on the fact that even when we had two starters out, you still managed to do a bit of research on an obviously abysmal preseason game in which nobody watched and will be long forgotten when we wake up tomorrow.

I even referenced you and Paydro for giving me the tools necessary to come up for the reason why we lost the game even though I did not watch it.

So there, I'm already learning from you!

You know, I can't tell if you're sincere or sarcastic, so either way, bravo. That takes some doing.

Battery · Post #14 » by **Battery** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:32 am

tsherkin wrote:
You know, I can't tell if you're sincere or sarcastic, so either way, bravo. That takes some doing.

Like I said, I'm already learning from you! :wink:

Post #15 » by **tsherkin** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:06 am

Battery wrote:Like I said, I'm already learning from you!

I take pride in my pedagogical nature. Teaching is an art, and apparently, I am no journeyman artiste.

Bassman · Post #16 » by **Bassman** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:12 pm

fatlever wrote:i always get nervous when discussing trading for players who are known jackasses. its like you want a trial period where you can call do-over after a few months if it doesnt work out. no doubt jackson has talent, but how long until he blows up again? i guess i would trade bell for him. not sure i would give up more than that.

I would gladly takeJackson and filler if we could deal Bell and Diop. Bell gives them an old pro who can nurture their young players and is an expiring. Diop is, well...he's "a solid backup center..and big men are hard to find". At some point we've got to get a lot more talent on this team. The 2 spot has become a weakness, given this team needs scoring. Perhaps LB can work his magic on Jackson and help him become "all he can be" as a player and a person. Kumbaya ya'll.

doc.end · Post #17 » by **doc.end** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:40 pm

Well i know S-JAx and be effective etc. but niow we have a team with chenistry which could really work together I don't want to spoil that. I don't think we are desperate at forward spots (enough) to risk that.

truthbtold21 · Post #18 » by **truthbtold21** » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:59 pm

shawne williams from the mavericks he might be a nice pick up for us coming off the bench.

Rich4114 · Post #19 » by **Rich4114** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:26 am

I know Jackson is a jackass, but making a move for that guy while his stock is low could put us over the hump depending on what we'd need to give up. They'd happily play Monta and Curry in the back court together anyway. Someone fire up the trade checker! Raja + filler for Jackson?

doc.end · Post #20 » by **doc.end** » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:43 am

Rich4114 wrote:I know Jackson is a jackass, but making a move for that guy while his stock is low could put us over the hump depending on what we'd need to give up. They'd happily play Monta and Curry in the back court together anyway. Someone fire up the trade checker! Raja + filler for Jackson?

Could we send him to Maine Red Claws and have him under contract just in case? :wink: