Who might need a PG - Rubio?? what could we get for him?

[Wolves2011]

Who might want Rubio and have something we want in return?

Who would we trade Rubio for, from the teams with a need for a new PG?

Rondo $2.6 million - Boston - No
Harris $8.4 million - Nets - No
Duhon $6.0 million - Knicks - Yes - covet him.
Holliday $1.5 million [rookie] - 76ers - maybe
Calderon $8.2 million - Raptors - No

Rose $5.2 million Bulls - 2nd year - No
Mo Williams $8.9 million - Cavs - No
Stuckey - $1.8 million - Pistons - Maybe
Ford - $8.5 million - Pacers - No
Ridnour $6.5 million - Bucks - have Jennings - No

Bibby $6.2 million - Hawks - Bibby as backup? - Maybe
Felton $5.5 million - Bobcats - 1 year deal - Yes
Chalmers 0.8 million - Heat - 2nd year - strongly Yes
Nelson $6.1 million - Magic - No
Arenas $16.2 million - Wizards - Depends if Arenas is healthy.

Kidd - $8.0 million - Mavericks - No
Brooks $1.1 million - Rockets - 2nd year - No
Conley $3.9 million - Grizzlies - 2nd year - No
Chris Paul $13.5 million - Hornets - No
Parker - $12.6 million - Spurs - No

Billups $12.1 million - Nuggets - No
Flynn $3.0 million - Wolves - rookie - Laugh...
Miller $6.7 million - Blazers - just gotten as PG, but still could do deal - Yes
Westbrook $3.8 million - Thunder - No
Williams $13.5 million - Jazz - No

Ellis $11.0 million - Warriors - really a SG - Yes
Davis $12.5 million - Clippers
Fischer $5.0 million - Lakers - Yes
Nash $13.1 million - Suns - No
Udrich - $6.1 million - Kings - Yes

[shrink]

Good post.

One of the things that I think people overlook in the Telfair trade is that while Telfair was on a fair contract for $2.7 mil next year, the market for back-up PG's was closing up fast. As Wolves2011 demonstrates, most teams have invested heavily in the PG position, either with cash or with lottery youth. Then we also have all the other PG's currently with a job, and then about ten PG's were drafted this last year. Cotton candy for 50 cents is a good deal, but not if you're full, and have more cotton candy in the pantry.

I am quite happy having rubio sitting in europe for a year or two on our win later team, especially since we owe that LAC pick, top ten protected. He's the high-risk, high-upside type of asset that I think a team like ours needs to hold onto. Meanwhile, Flynn and Sessions have great opportunity to grow. I think it's more likely we trade one, or both of them in the next two years, rather than Rubio.

[Wolves2011]

Good post.

One of the things that I think people overlook in the Telfair trade is that while Telfair was on a fair contract for $2.7 mil next year, the market for back-up PG's was closing up fast. As Wolves2011 demonstrates, most teams have invested heavily in the PG position, either with cash or with lottery youth. Then we also have all the other PG's currently with a job, and then about ten PG's were drafted this last year. Cotton candy for 50 cents is a good deal, but not if you're full, and have more cotton candy in the pantry.

I am quite happy having rubio sitting in europe for a year or two on our win later team, especially since we owe that LAC pick, top ten protected. He's the high-risk, high-upside type of asset that I think a team like ours needs to hold onto. Meanwhile, Flynn and Sessions have great opportunity to grow. I think it's more likely we trade one, or both of them in the next two years, rather than Rubio.

The only problem with Rubio is time.

He won't to over here until 2 years at the earliest.

If takes him at least one year and possibly 2 years to acclimate to the NBA
[If he can acclimate to the NBA - other hyped players have been busts in the past.]

So you are looking at a minimum of 3 years and possibly longer before your team can start meshing.

In 2012 - 2013 season Jefferson's contract is up.

If we haven't shown him we can go deep into the playoffs, I'm comfortable in saying he is gone!!

We can't wait forever for Rubio.

As for this posting, I'm just looking for trade scenarios with the teams identified as possible trading partners. If you prefer to call it Flynn rather than Rubio, so be it.

But, for the reasons I've stated, I don't think we will ever see Rubio in a Wolves uniform.

He gets traded in a year or two, probably in a package with a draft picks and/or Pekovic for a great young wing.

For instance, Brandon Roy still hasn't gotten a new contract from the Blazers. [At least I haven't seen that news.]

If we offered Rubio, say the #3 pick in the draft [assuming we play badly this year with Love out for 20 games and Sessions getting limited playing time] and Pekovic could we get Roy from them?

One of many possibilities.


Sacramento is a team with no PG and too many SG - we should be able to get Evans or Martin.

[Basti]

Good post.

One of the things that I think people overlook in the Telfair trade is that while Telfair was on a fair contract for $2.7 mil next year, the market for back-up PG's was closing up fast. As Wolves2011 demonstrates, most teams have invested heavily in the PG position, either with cash or with lottery youth. Then we also have all the other PG's currently with a job, and then about ten PG's were drafted this last year. Cotton candy for 50 cents is a good deal, but not if you're full, and have more cotton candy in the pantry.

I am quite happy having rubio sitting in europe for a year or two on our win later team, especially since we owe that LAC pick, top ten protected. He's the high-risk, high-upside type of asset that I think a team like ours needs to hold onto. Meanwhile, Flynn and Sessions have great opportunity to grow. I think it's more likely we trade one, or both of them in the next two years, rather than Rubio.

The only problem with Rubio is time.

He won't to over here until 2 years at the earliest.

If takes him at least one year and possibly 2 years to acclimate to the NBA
[If he can acclimate to the NBA - other hyped players have been busts in the past.]

So you are looking at a minimum of 3 years and possibly longer before your team can start meshing.

In 2012 - 2013 season Jefferson's contract is up.

If we haven't shown him we can go deep into the playoffs, I'm comfortable in saying he is gone!!

We can't wait forever for Rubio.

As for this posting, I'm just looking for trade scenarios with the teams identified as possible trading partners. If you prefer to call it Flynn rather than Rubio, so be it.

But, for the reasons I've stated, I don't think we will ever see Rubio in a Wolves uniform.

He gets traded in a year or two, probably in a package with a draft picks and/or Pekovic for a great young wing.

For instance, Brandon Roy still hasn't gotten a new contract from the Blazers. [At least I haven't seen that news.]

If we offered Rubio, say the #3 pick in the draft [assuming we play badly this year with Love out for 20 games and Sessions getting limited playing time] and Pekovic could we get Roy from them?

One of many possibilities.


Sacramento is a team with no PG and too many SG - we should be able to get Evans or Martin.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... htm?csp=34

Roy signed a 5 year deal and even if he hadn't signed it I doubt the Blazers would trade him.

[shrink]

Good post.

One of the things that I think people overlook in the Telfair trade is that while Telfair was on a fair contract for $2.7 mil next year, the market for back-up PG's was closing up fast. As Wolves2011 demonstrates, most teams have invested heavily in the PG position, either with cash or with lottery youth. Then we also have all the other PG's currently with a job, and then about ten PG's were drafted this last year. Cotton candy for 50 cents is a good deal, but not if you're full, and have more cotton candy in the pantry.

I am quite happy having rubio sitting in europe for a year or two on our win later team, especially since we owe that LAC pick, top ten protected. He's the high-risk, high-upside type of asset that I think a team like ours needs to hold onto. Meanwhile, Flynn and Sessions have great opportunity to grow. I think it's more likely we trade one, or both of them in the next two years, rather than Rubio.

The only problem with Rubio is time.

I look at it as an asset.

In 2012 - 2013 season Jefferson's contract is up.

If we haven't shown him we can go deep into the playoffs, I'm comfortable in saying he is gone!!

I disagree. He extended with us, against the advice of his agent for under market, when we hadn't shown we could go deep in the playoffs. I think he wants to show he's the man that can lead us there, and he's sacrificed millions in the past to do that in Minnesota.

[Esohny]

If you think that Rubio won't be in the NBA and contributing for 4 years, why would any team give us a "great young wing" for him, unless we throw in a bunch of our other assets? Not exactly what I'd call maximizing value.

[dunkonu21]

We are not trading Rubio

[Wolves2011]

I disagree. He extended with us, against the advice of his agent for under market, when we hadn't shown we could go deep in the playoffs. I think he wants to show he's the man that can lead us there, and he's sacrificed millions in the past to do that in Minnesota.

He did sign with us at a discount. Or should I say he signed with McHale. McHale told him he would build a team around him. Kahn has said his is the second best guy on a championship team and that he has to live through the 3rd rebuild in his career.

He went through one in Boston and this is his second in Minnesota.

He won't be patient, I guarantee it.

His extensions ends in 2012-2013

Look it up.

He wants to win now. Let alone in 2012.

[Wolves2011]

If you think that Rubio won't be in the NBA and contributing for 4 years, why would any team give us a "great young wing" for him, unless we throw in a bunch of our other assets? Not exactly what I'd call maximizing value.

He won't even be in the NBA for 2 plus years at the earliest.

Do you think he will be productive and better than say, Flynn in his rookie season, when Flynn is in his 3rd season?

I think it will take at least one year for Rubio to get used to:

1) speed of the NBA
2) length of NBA schedule
3) athleticism of NBA - [shots blocked]

etc..... and thats best case.

So that means Rubio starts being productive 4 years from now, at best.

I stand by my comment that Jefferson won't be happy to wait that long, and is likely not to resign with us, if we ask him to wait for Rubio.

[Esohny]

Ok, we'll assume that Jefferson has one foot out the door. Your solution is to trade away a great asset for 10 cents on the dollar to get something here right now? Great.

[Tekkenlaw]

I think they should package Jefferson and Rubio for Granger. Pacers might bite on that, but I doubt it.

[Esohny]

I think they should package Jefferson and Rubio for Granger. Pacers might bite on that, but I doubt it.

Ugh.

[wolves_fan_82au]

If you think that Rubio won't be in the NBA and contributing for 4 years, why would any team give us a "great young wing" for him, unless we throw in a bunch of our other assets? Not exactly what I'd call maximizing value.

He won't even be in the NBA for 2 plus years at the earliest.

Do you think he will be productive and better than say, Flynn in his rookie season, when Flynn is in his 3rd season?

I think it will take at least one year for Rubio to get used to:

1) speed of the NBA
2) length of NBA schedule
3) athleticism of NBA - [shots blocked]

etc..... and thats best case.

So that means Rubio starts being productive 4 years from now, at best.

I stand by my comment that Jefferson won't be happy to wait that long, and is likely not to resign with us, if we ask him to wait for Rubio.

the kid will have no worries adjusting to the nba ,esp if hes the star everyone thinks he is on this forum

[cpfsf]

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136315062

One online report briefly had Jefferson rumored to be headed to Phoenix for Amare Stoudemire. Kahn quickly quashed the notion and called to tell Jefferson there was nothing to it.

"I got spooked one time when I turned on ESPN and saw my name up there," said Jefferson, who is starting the second year of a five-year, $65 million contract he signed two years ago. "But it was a rumor, thank God."

It may not seem like much, but it's never a bad thing when your star player is happy he wasn't traded to a playoff contending team like the Suns who would have landed Curry as well in the trade.

I think they should package Jefferson and Rubio for Granger. Pacers might bite on that, but I doubt it.

I think I'm going to throw up.

[Wolves2011]

Ok, we'll assume that Jefferson has one foot out the door. Your solution is to trade away a great asset for 10 cents on the dollar to get something here right now? Great.

No, I wouldn't trade Rubio for a year or two. There is no rush to trade him.

But unless Flynn & Sessions are a busts we should trade him, for the reasons I posted earlier.

The Knicks were offering Lee and Robinson.

Houston offered half of its team.

In a year or two when his body and game have matured he should be worth more - at least equivlent of a #1 pick if not more.

Kahn is smart enough to make a good deal.

Also keep in mind that Rubio is like Marbury. He wants the big city as in NYC or someplace else more glamorous than the Twin Cities. Especially if D'Antoni is there.

So even if we brought him in, he would be demanding a trade or waiting for his rookie contract to expire and leave then.

I'd rather have guys who want to be here.

[Biff Cooper]

Until it gets closer to his buyout, he is worth far more to us than to anyone else. He's still going to be a stud NBA player someday. It makes no sense to discuss trading him right now.

[Wolves2011]

Until it gets closer to his buyout, he is worth far more to us than to anyone else. He's still going to be a stud NBA player someday. It makes no sense to discuss trading him right now.

No, there is no advantage to discussing trading him, now, except this is a blog and we like discussing sports.

We should trade him just not now.

Especially since he will force his way out of town one way or another some day, just like Marbury.

We don't need a repeat of that fiasco.

I was just curious who people thought we could realistically thought we could get for him.

[Tekkenlaw]

I think they should package Jefferson and Rubio for Granger. Pacers might bite on that, but I doubt it.

I think I'm going to throw up.

Pacers wouldn't even do that trade. The trade is skewed towards the Pacers in terms of value, but it would be a great trade for the Wolves if they plan on contending for a championship sometime in the next 5 years. Granger is one of the best small forwards in the league, just below Melo and about on par with Durant. Where is Jefferson in terms of power forwards? About on par with Boozer give or take?

[cpfsf]

Pacers wouldn't even do that trade. The trade is skewed towards the Pacers in terms of value, but it would be a great trade for the Wolves if they plan on contending for a championship sometime in the next 5 years. Granger is one of the best small forwards in the league, just below Melo and about on par with Durant.

You say the Pacers wouldn't do the trade Heck, even the Suns offered Stoudemire for Jefferson and #6 which the Timberwolves rejected.

Where is Jefferson in terms of power forwards? About on par with Boozer give or take?

Your arguing that Granger is better because he is one of the best small forwards? That doesn't prove anything. That's like saying in a taste test people prefer diet pepsi over diet coke while in another taste test people prefer pepsi over coke. Therefor more people prefer diet pepsi over coke.

and yes, pepsi is better than coke

[Biff Cooper]

No, there is no advantage to discussing trading him, now, except this is a blog and we like discussing sports.

OK - go ahead. I have no interest in discussing this topic. This topic was discussed plenty when there was still a chance of him playing for the Wolves in 09-10.

Especially since he will force his way out of town one way or another some day, just like Marbury.

We don't need a repeat of that fiasco.

Do you have some proof of this, or can you see into the future? If you believe what Kahn says, Rubio is completely fine with playing for the Wolves.