Build an NBA Team (BaNT) - discussion

[deNIEd]

Ya, but you're also talking about some massive homers.

Udrih is the worst starting PG in the league (Ridnour is close), but he's an above average backup PG.

And Bargnani is one of the lesser starting defensive centers, but he'd be a above-AVERAGE back-up defender....which is exactly what he'd be in this game...


Would you look at that

Barg is one of the worst big man defenders in the league. Worst starting center at defense, and theres only a handful of backup bigs that are worse than him. I really hope you're joking

Would you look at that

[CellarDoor]

Above average positionally is selling 'wood short imo. He really is among the top post defenders in the league.

You're correct, I was steering away from superlatives in the event I face you.

Haywood is a top 3 positional defender at C (if Duncan is a PF, otherwise he's top 4).

And I'm sure he'll shut Perkins DOWN!

[VintaGe36]

Ya, but you're also talking about some massive homers.

Udrih is the worst starting PG in the league (Ridnour is close), but he's an above average backup PG.

And Bargnani is one of the lesser starting defensive centers, but he'd be a above-AVERAGE back-up defender....which is exactly what he'd be in this game...


Would you look at that

Barg is one of the worst big man defenders in the league. Worst starting center at defense, and theres only a handful of backup bigs that are worse than him. I really hope you're joking

Name back up bigs who would be better than Bargnani at D?
Przybilla is the only one i'd say FOR SURE is better.
And he's an anomaly, because his defense, even for a back up, is top 10.
Can you name another?

[deNIEd]

Lets start with your real team's C, Hawes. He's improving, and has the same negative stigma Okur and Barney run into, but he's not better than Bargniani overall. Brad Miller, Zaza, Big Z, Shaq's not much better at this point, but he's certainly more intimidating. With Rebounding included, Biedrins is a better defender, without it, he's an incredibly overrated guy I wouldn't want guarding anyone positionally over Barney. Okur is on his level or a little better. Foster in Indy, Al Jefferson, Andrew Bogut.

How far do you want me to go?

Hawes is a bad defender cause he weighs about 60 lbs and any sort of breeze blows him over. Eventually his metabolism will slow down and gain some weight...then he'll be a good defender. Barg is on the same level as Miller. I don't know about Zaza. But Barg isn't better than Shaq, Biedrins, Foster, Jefferson, or Bogut lol. Clearly someone is biased

[CellarDoor]

Ya, but you're also talking about some massive homers.

Udrih is the worst starting PG in the league (Ridnour is close), but he's an above average backup PG.

And Bargnani is one of the lesser starting defensive centers, but he'd be a above-AVERAGE back-up defender....which is exactly what he'd be in this game...


Would you look at that

Barg is one of the worst big man defenders in the league. Worst starting center at defense, and theres only a handful of backup bigs that are worse than him. I really hope you're joking

Would you look at that

Vintage was using your reasoning and applying it to real world facts, not your diluted opinion. If we all took your opinion as fact we wouldn't have to argue to begin with.


Absolutely agree on Beno though, he's a very good back-up, just overpaid.

[Teddy KGB]

If Cellar wants support for his argument all he needs to do is post a link of this page on the Raps board. We'd instantly be flooded by ~1000 Bargnani fans ready to make a blood oath that Bargnani is the GOAT.

[bringbackhoffa]

shaq always kills the raps cause bargs is terrible at guarding intimidating big man who have a post game

[Teddy KGB]

Or are just really massive and are somewhat competent at laying up.

[CellarDoor]

Lets start with your real team's C, Hawes. He's improving, and has the same negative stigma Okur and Barney run into, but he's not better than Bargniani overall. Brad Miller, Zaza, Big Z, Shaq's not much better at this point, but he's certainly more intimidating. With Rebounding included, Biedrins is a better defender, without it, he's an incredibly overrated guy I wouldn't want guarding anyone positionally over Barney. Okur is on his level or a little better. Foster in Indy, Al Jefferson, Andrew Bogut.

How far do you want me to go?

Hawes is a bad defender cause he weighs about 60 lbs and any sort of breeze blows him over. Eventually his metabolism will slow down and gain some weight...then he'll be a good defender. Barg is on the same level as Miller. I don't know about Zaza. But Barg isn't better than Shaq, Biedrins, Foster, Jefferson, or Bogut lol. Clearly someone is biased

Like I said, Shaq's better/more intimidating, but not by much, he's sort of a specialist. If you get him against a guy like Bynum or Dwight he's giong to do some damage. If you get him against a guy with a jumpshot and he has to rotate, he's going to damage his own team. I explained Bargs. He's a Hawes level defender, but he's got good rebounding (though overrated). Foster is a bad defender but a good rebounder, Jefferson's an awful defender, average at PF though. Bogut is pretty damn bad, though certainly a better weakside defender.

[CellarDoor]

If Cellar wants support for his argument all he needs to do is post a link of this page on the Raps board. We'd instantly be flooded by ~1000 Bargnani fans ready to make a blood oath that Bargnani is the GOAT.

I'd win the game in a landslide.


Rap in 4!!!

[CellarDoor]

shaq always kills the raps cause bargs is terrible at guarding intimidating big man who have a post game

Shaq still outplay's Dwight to this day. He's an anomaly here. Though watching Shaq guarding the perimeter with Andrea would be a sight.


Why are we having THIS heavy a discussion about my back-up C's defense when my starter is an exceptional post defender?

[poopdamoop]

Like I said, Shaq's better/more intimidating, but not by much, he's sort of a specialist. If you get him against a guy like Bynum or Dwight he's giong to do some damage. If you get him against a guy with a jumpshot and he has to rotate, he's going to damage his own team. I explained Bargs. He's a Hawes level defender, but he's got good rebounding (though overrated). Foster is a bad defender but a good rebounder, Jefferson's an awful defender, average at PF though. Bogut is pretty damn bad, though certainly a better weakside defender.

Disagree on Bogut. He's actually a damn good defender, ask MIL fans.

[deNIEd]

Name back up bigs who would be better than Bargnani at D?
Przybilla is the only one i'd say FOR SURE is better.
And he's an anomaly, because his defense, even for a back up, is top 10.
Can you name another?

Boston - Rasheed
Charlotte - Diop
Denver - Birdman
Detriot - Wilcox
GSW - Turiaf
Houston - Scola
LAC - Camby
Orl- Gortat
Por - Pryz

Average Backup Big Defender



*And I'd love Beno...if he made about 2-3 mil less a year.


*Saying Barg is at Hawes' level defensively isn't worth much. I think Hawes is a terrible defender, mainly he still only weighs 245 (i think). Going against any other center, he just gets muscled down every single time.

[CellarDoor]

Name back up bigs who would be better than Bargnani at D?
Przybilla is the only one i'd say FOR SURE is better.
And he's an anomaly, because his defense, even for a back up, is top 10.
Can you name another?

Boston - Rasheed
Charlotte - Diop
Denver - Birdman
Detriot - Wilcox
GSW - Turiaf
Houston - Scola
LAC - Camby
Orl- Gortat
Por - Pryz

Average Backup Big Defender



*And I'd love Beno...if he made about 2-3 mil less a year.


*Saying Barg is at Hawes' level defensively isn't worth much. I think Hawes is a terrible defender, mainly he still only weighs 245 (i think). Going against any other center, he just gets muscled down every single time.

I'm not trying to knock Hawes. I actually love his skill. And btw, Wilcox is a stretch at best, and calling Scola a C on any team that doesn't have Yao is a stretch. And if you want to take the offensive hit of playing Diop, by all means, draft him .


We should be clear here too. I just wanted Barney's positional defense. I've got more than enough weakside D all around him. And his greatest weapon is going to be mismatches.

[Miller4ever]

Andrea is a girl's name.

End of argument.

[BlackIce]

Like I said, Shaq's better/more intimidating, but not by much, he's sort of a specialist. If you get him against a guy like Bynum or Dwight he's giong to do some damage. If you get him against a guy with a jumpshot and he has to rotate, he's going to damage his own team. I explained Bargs. He's a Hawes level defender, but he's got good rebounding (though overrated). Foster is a bad defender but a good rebounder, Jefferson's an awful defender, average at PF though. Bogut is pretty damn bad, though certainly a better weakside defender.

Disagree on Bogut. He's actually a damn good defender, ask MIL fans.

Get with the program bogut is white...therefore he is a bad defender.

[CellarDoor]

Andrea is a girl's name.

End of argument.

Damn.


too late to change my pick?

[SamBone]

are we going to be rolling with a 10 man roster since the draft is only 10 rounds?

[BlackIce]

Can we do the randomized matchup so we can start talkin smack and get a general gameplan going? Mostly to talk smack though.

[CellarDoor]

Can we do the randomized matchup so we can start talkin smack and get a general gameplan going? Mostly to talk smack though.

We can do that later today. Though you should just do what I do and talk smack to everyone.