Can the Triangle offense work for the Wolves?

[Wolves2011]

Is the Triangle the right offense for the wolves?

For the triangle to work you need three things:

1) Good perimeter shooters

2) Good passing big men.

3) Lots of players with high basketball IQ's who can "read" defenses and make the proper decision/pass.

Biggest problems with current Wolves roster - poor perimeter shooting.

And Jefferson while a GREAT low post scorer hasn't been mistaken for Bill Walton as a passing big man.

Do the wolves have a high basketball IQ?

Unclear, because the team is so young and inexperienced.......

The young Wolves are currently struggling to learn a very difficult offense because of the aforementioned youth and inexperience.

But even if they had the basketball IQ, do they have the right personnel to master the triangle?

Is this Rambis putting a round peg in a square hole?

And what of the young players confidence.

You normally want to put young players in situations where they can succeed so they build confidence.

Making them use the triangle now, would seem to be doing just the opposite.

Its early yet, but I for one am not sure the triangle is the right offense for this team.

What say you?

[SpencerBusch]

This teams going to be very exciting in a few years we have Jefferson and Love as the big man along with Sessions and Flynn at the point. Now if we get the 1st overall pick i want Wall but either 2 of the four PGs (Wall, Flynn, Sessions, Rubio) if any of those could play SG it would be very exciting. Wall is 6ft 3 and i could see it happening, which would be excellent!

I could see this offense being great for us, we will flash a little this year but it wont be in full source until 1-2 more seasons.

[Devilzsidewalk]

if we can get some good players, then any system can work for us. As currently constructed, any offense/system is just lipstick on a pig

[dunkonu21]

Wolves2011, you need to relax. The team is building around Kahn's ideology at this point. You need to stop feeling sorry for this team and trying to create mass panic or w/e your agenda is.

Nothing on this team is really solidly in place by Kahn's hand excpet for Flynn, Ellington, Hollins and Rambis. Reason being is that Kahn didn't draft Love, Jefferson, Brewer. He had a hand in bringing in Sessions, but I think he was just adding a good player for a very fair price rather than staking his job on Sessions. Sessions was also a back-up plan. Obviously the only way to judge the direction/chance for success is when Rubio gets here and plays with Flynn in the triangle, because that's Kahn's ideology at this point. Rambis is Kahn's guy for good or worse, so you need to relax and let them build the team. Jefferson and Love getting hurt obviously hurts the team, but it also gives us a chance to see other players in talent evaluation. And being that this team is THE BEST PLAYER DEVELOPING organization in the league, we will get a fair and full look at all the players on this team.

Please stop creating threads that breed trolls and negative attitudes!

[Vega06]

I'm skeptical because it takes the ball out of our PG's hands. I'm waiting until the actual season starts to judge Rambis' version of it though.

[Wolves2011]

And being that this team is THE BEST PLAYER DEVELOPING organization in the league, we will get a fair and full look at all the players on this team.

I'm a great supporter of most key players on our team and of Kahn's drafting and trading activities.

I loved the Rambis hiring.

But you can design and offense around the talent you have......

Or you can try to fit your talent into a scheme that you happen to like.

Rambis is doing the latter.

As you said, we want to be the best player development franchise.

One key thing most teams do when developing young talent is build their confidence. They put them in situations where they can succeed.

The triangle offense is difficult for a team full of smart, veteran players with high basketball IQ's.

And for it to succeed, as I said you need great perimeter shooting and good passing big men.

I'm anything but a troll. But I do try to ask relevant questions.

I think its relevant.

I want to see our young players develop and succeed.

Even wittman had to cut back his play book 10 games into last season because it was too difficult for a young team.

The wolves are now MUCH YOUNGER and the triangle is much more difficult to learn.

I have real concerns..... we'll see how it works out.

[dunkonu21]

I didn't say u were a troll. And I know it's a valid question, but you don't need to start a thread about it.

[Esohny]

It's a lot less relevant then suggested, since Rambis has stated that he's not running the triangle, just a few elements of the triangle. Big difference.

[revprodeji]

Can you stop the double spacing 2011? It is difficult to read on mobiles.

[Wolves2011]

It's a lot less relevant then suggested, since Rambis has stated that he's not running the triangle, just a few elements of the triangle. Big difference.

As you say, things might change when the wolves start the regular season.
I hope they do!!

Both of our two young point guards - Flynn and Sessions - do great in playing pick and roll.
Love is also great at pick and roll and pick and pop.
We have not been playing pick and roll.
All practice time and much of our game activity is focused on the triangle.

If we start playing schemes our young players can understand when the regular season starts, forget this thread. But if we continue to look lost on offense, we might have to make the triangle a much smaller piece of our offense until our players mature a little, especially our PG's.

[Devilzsidewalk]

we need to work the pick n roll and see if we can get Hollins to utilize his length and athleticism to his advantage and get some finishes

[Foye]

Hollins has a lot of work to do.

His rebounding looks very bad. 1.5 rebs in 16 minutes...I bet I'd grab a rebound, too, in 16 minutes and I'm 6 ft. 1

[Devilzsidewalk]

I don't think he can ever be a good rebounder though, he doesn't have the base for it. But I think he does have face up finisher potential.

[Foye]

He doesn't have to be a good rebounder but with his 7 ft. he should be able to grab at least 4 rebounds in 16 minutes.

[revprodeji]

wolves2011 have you ever coached? I do not mean to insult you, just curious. Motion-type offenses that are not based on set plays, but rather rules or reactions, tend to take a long time to implicate with any player regardless of age. (j2j back me up with your read/react fetish) What we were told is that in the preseason we would be trying these things out. Seeing who is learning the system, what we need to do/work on also. We are not running p/r or p/p because we know how to do those. When the season starts we will use the spacing of the triple-post, but we will be using more p/r-p/p as well.

Calm down. As DSW pointed out, developing talent is the key right now. Even if these players do not "fit" your view of the triple-post the experience will improve their BBIQ.

[Wolves2011]

wolves2011 have you ever coached? I do not mean to insult you, just curious. Motion-type offenses that are not based on set plays, but rather rules or reactions, tend to take a long time to implicate with any player regardless of age. (j2j back me up with your read/react fetish) What we were told is that in the preseason we would be trying these things out. Seeing who is learning the system, what we need to do/work on also. We are not running p/r or p/p because we know how to do those. When the season starts we will use the spacing of the triple-post, but we will be using more p/r-p/p as well.

Calm down. As DSW pointed out, developing talent is the key right now. Even if these players do not "fit" your view of the triple-post the experience will improve their BBIQ.

I know the triangle is a hard offense to learn.

I played basketball into college......
Didn't coach..... but my best friend and teammate coached a girls team and I "helped"
[Did coach in baseball.]

I didn't play a form of motion offense.

Have "managed" many people in settings off the basketball court, so I understand, "motivation".

Like I said earlier, if Rambis relaxes the emphasis on triangle enough for our young players to get comfortable and some confidence, thats fine.

Right now many of our young players look lost.

I more concerned with the confidence of our younger players as part of their development.

I do understand that motion offenses are the most difficult to defend and most difficult to learn.

But we also need young players who "feel good about themselves" out on the court.

[john2jer]

wolves2011 have you ever coached? I do not mean to insult you, just curious. Motion-type offenses that are not based on set plays, but rather rules or reactions, tend to take a long time to implicate with any player regardless of age. (j2j back me up with your read/react fetish) What we were told is that in the preseason we would be trying these things out. Seeing who is learning the system, what we need to do/work on also. We are not running p/r or p/p because we know how to do those. When the season starts we will use the spacing of the triple-post, but we will be using more p/r-p/p as well.

Calm down. As DSW pointed out, developing talent is the key right now. Even if these players do not "fit" your view of the triple-post the experience will improve their BBIQ.

I typed up a really long response to this, but our work internet is sucking lately and giving us the dreaded "can't find page" after hitting submit, thus I lose what I typed.

So in short: Yes, you're right Rev. A lot of it is predicated on knowing tendancies of your teammates. A lot of turn-over in the roster, plus a new coach makes that take a tad longer.

[GopherIt!]

I typed up a really long response to this, but our work internet is sucking lately and giving us the dreaded "can't find page" after hitting submit, thus I lose what I typed.

sure, blame it on Al Gore's internet

[john2jer]

I typed up a really long response to this, but our work internet is sucking lately and giving us the dreaded "can't find page" after hitting submit, thus I lose what I typed.

sure, blame it on Al Gore's internet

I blame it on working for a Canadian company.

[GopherIt!]

are they still on strike?