Barclays Center/Fear Prokhorov Thread

Post #281 » by **jerseyjac** » Thu Oct 8, 2009 5:16 pm

halfHAVOC wrote:http://twitter.com/StarburyMarbury/status/4658857181

hahahaha

unbelievable...

enetric · Post #282 » by **enetric** » Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:43 am

jerseyjac wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:I was always mixed with the move to Brooklyn. I wanted the Nets to stay in Jersey, but I knew we had a better chance at landing a star if we moved to Brooklyn. If this deal is dead, does Ratner sell? Would Jay-Z sell his shares? Does the team move to Newark or just stay at the Izod Center. It also leaves the door open for the team to move somewhere farther than Brooklyn. The Swamp is The Swamp. We're not getting much attendance as is so a move could still be likely. Despite the marketability of Yi and VC, I still don't see us as a high seeded playoff caliber team (and when we were during the Kidd era, attendance was still low).

I agree...BUT I LOVE IT =)...sorry the Nets can make it Newark...its a basketball city...rthey just need a chance...

You have been craving this since day one. From what I have read...Nets to Newark is a non option even if Brooklyn fell through. Perhaps I have it wrong...or possibly things could change...but it sounds like the Devils are dead set against it. I am not certain but I think they have some sort of clause to be the only team in that building.

Anyone have info on that?

JJ...if Newark is a non option...do you still hope Brooklyn falls through? Swamp for good?

Personally? I cant see why this guy spent all this cash unless it is to get to the team to Brooklyn. Seems to me that is the finacial option that makes the most sense for any investor.

Post #283 » by **jerseyjac** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:27 pm

enetric wrote:
jerseyjac wrote:
Rich Rane wrote:I was always mixed with the move to Brooklyn. I wanted the Nets to stay in Jersey, but I knew we had a better chance at landing a star if we moved to Brooklyn. If this deal is dead, does Ratner sell? Would Jay-Z sell his shares? Does the team move to Newark or just stay at the Izod Center. It also leaves the door open for the team to move somewhere farther than Brooklyn. The Swamp is The Swamp. We're not getting much attendance as is so a move could still be likely. Despite the marketability of Yi and VC, I still don't see us as a high seeded playoff caliber team (and when we were during the Kidd era, attendance was still low).

I agree...BUT I LOVE IT =)...sorry the Nets can make it Newark...its a basketball city...rthey just need a chance...

You have been craving this since day one. From what I have read...Nets to Newark is a non option even if Brooklyn fell through. Perhaps I have it wrong...or possibly things could change...but it sounds like the Devils are dead set against it. I am not certain but I think they have some sort of clause to be the only team in that building.

Anyone have info on that?

JJ...if Newark is a non option...do you still hope Brooklyn falls through? Swamp for good?

Personally? I cant see why this guy spent all this cash unless it is to get to the team to Brooklyn. Seems to me that is the finacial option that makes the most sense for any investor.

I've said this all along...I would always embrace the move to Brooklyn...though my heart will always be in Jersey for the Nets to remain in the state, I know the real future is in Brooklyn...the only thing that ever tainted Brooklyn for me was Ratner...Even when I posted the above, I think then and still do now that Ratner toyed with a lot of fans and players...he is not a true basketball owner...and as much as I wanted to see Brooklyn succeed, I guess you can say I wouldnt of mind seeing Ratner fail...

As much as Ratner can be given credit for initiating Brooklyn, Mikhail Prokhorov will be the one who actually gets it there...Ratner's priorities in regards to Nets basketball has always been suspect, if the connection with Mikhail was never made, I truly believe the Nets were going to be using empty promises to convince FAs to sign with the Nets...

Now, the Nets ceiling as a franchise is through the roof and I've never been more excited about their future...

Either way, The Rock is great arena for basketball, in a basketball city that will hopefully get a chance to embrace another NBA franchise...The Devils organization would be foolish not to do the same...

(fyi, I did change the title to this thread...)

netsfanbq · Post #284 » by **netsfanbq** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:07 pm

If Brooklyn falls through, Nets could go anywhere from Seattle to Kansas City. Be careful what you wish for Brooklyn haters.

Post #285 » by **jerseyjac** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:38 pm

netsfanbq wrote:If Brooklyn falls through, Nets could go anywhere from Seattle to Kansas City. Be careful what you wish for Brooklyn haters.

btw, its good to see you around Kansas...

netsfanbq · Post #286 » by **netsfanbq** » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:54 pm

I selfishly wouldn't mind a team in KC...but am still hoping for Brookyn to bring the big name free agents. Glad to be posting again...I've been busy!

Post #287 » by **jerseyjac** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:26 pm

And the Saga Continues...

come on prelude jump in here...

jeff1624 · Post #288 » by **jeff1624** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:35 pm

www.netsdaily.com

Great news. I wonder how the crowd will be in comparison to the Izod Center..

kamaze · Post #289 » by **kamaze** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:48 am

Yeah that's a good move should've done it sooner.

Preludepunk27 · Post #290 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:49 am

I'm totally down for this...until we move to Brooklyn lol

vincecarter4pres · Post #291 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:59 am

This is pure awesomeness...

VCRJKidd15 · Post #292 » by **VCRJKidd15** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:23 am

this better be a rental arena til we go to BROOOOKLYYNNN!!!

Rockice_8 · Post #293 » by **Rockice_8** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:00 pm

Good for now but it's all about Brooklyn.

Post #294 » by **Rich Rane** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:52 pm

Plan's outline

John Brennan of The Record wrote:These are the key points in a tentative deal reached between Prudential Center, Izod Center, the Devils and the Nets via negotiations with Governor Corzine’s office, based on a memo by administration economics czar Jerry Zaro obtained by The Record:

* The two arenas would enter into a joint venture called “Jersey Presents LLC,” which would operate cooperatively to book, operate and manage concerts and family shows.
* Izod Center would be home to most of those events.
* Prudential Center would become the “sports venue,” with the Devils, Seton Hall, indoor soccer, lacrosse, etc.
* The Nets would “consider” an agreement to move to Prudential Center, beginning next season and continuing until their move to Brooklyn.
* The Devils would agree to pay more than $2 million in back rent to Newark — money that has been withheld pending a settlement of alleged penalties the city owes to the Devils.

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_s ... tial_.html

Preludepunk27 · Post #295 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:35 pm

I personally think this is a good move. The IZOD would probably actually make MORE MONEY if they had the stadium free for more concerts events. Hell any concert big enough to play the IZOD, will bring in 20,000+ people in the seats as opposed to the low amounts the Nets bring in. The Nets would have the new arena that is more accessible, possibly allowing more people to show up so that could actually be beneficial to Newark. The only loser here is the Devils. They ALWAYS got to have Saturday or Sunday home games in their schedule, which are the biggest money days. Now for one year, they'll have to share the stadium which may cause them to lose a little cash, but the Devils have solid attendence most days so I don't think it'd be a major problem.

Until the stadium is done in Brooklyn, I'm totally fine with this and I think it's a good move for everyone involved.

kombayn · Post #296 » by **kombayn** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:10 am

I also think it's a way for the city to showcase, The Rock for another NBA team like the Kings or Bucks who are now speaking publicly about needing a new arena. It's just another option for the NBA, and they're not opposed to the idea of 3 teams in one market, Anaheim was the runner-up for the Grizzlies before Memphis secured them. Brooklyn Nets, New York Knicks and New Jersey <insert team name here>.... Hmm.....

vincecarter4pres · Post #297 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:59 am

IDK how I would feel about another team in NJ, but I guess I would support them as my 2nd team just cause they are local and I live right next to Newark.

Tirion · Post #298 » by **Tirion** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:52 am

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/10/23/nets ... -on-lunch/

jay-z needs to introduce lebron to prokhorov asap.

enetric · Post #299 » by **enetric** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:58 pm

jerseyjac wrote:
I've said this all along...I would always embrace the move to Brooklyn...though my heart will always be in Jersey for the Nets to remain in the state, I know the real future is in Brooklyn...the only thing that ever tainted Brooklyn for me was Ratner...Even when I posted the above, I think then and still do now that Ratner toyed with a lot of fans and players...he is not a true basketball owner...and as much as I wanted to see Brooklyn succeed, I guess you can say I wouldnt of mind seeing Ratner fail...

As much as Ratner can be given credit for initiating Brooklyn, Mikhail Prokhorov will be the one who actually gets it there...Ratner's priorities in regards to Nets basketball has always been suspect, if the connection with Mikhail was never made, I truly believe the Nets were going to be using empty promises to convince FAs to sign with the Nets...

Now, the Nets ceiling as a franchise is through the roof and I've never been more excited about their future...

Either way, The Rock is great arena for basketball, in a basketball city that will hopefully get a chance to embrace another NBA franchise...The Devils organization would be foolish not to do the same...

(fyi, I did change the title to this thread...)

OK good for you and well said.

I can see how long term this guy might be better for basketball than Ratner., The cash and the interest. I personally feel Ratner did a great job keeping this team in tact passed its expiration date. I cant come up with moves I feel cost us as a franchise in terms of team development on the floor. Things ran their course. But going forward...I think the latest development is a good thing.

As for Newark...sounds like a you could get it temporarily. we'll see if they can work out that little snafu about the 8ml for NJ sports authority over in the swamp. But I would love to see that. Swamp is over. That would be the worst case sceanrio to end up staying put.

enetric · Post #300 » by **enetric** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:09 pm

http://netsarescorching.com/2009/10/16/eminent-domain-experts-on-atlantic-yards-opponents-a-long-shot/

NAS Interview: Eminent Domain Legal Expert William Ward
by Mark Ginocchio
Oct 16, 2009 Brooklyn, Interviews

While it’s still far from a slam dunk that team owner Bruce Ratner will eventually be able to move the Nets to a new arena in Brooklyn, one legal expert who has more than three decades of experience working on eminent domain cases, believes it’s doubtful that Atlantic Yards opponents did enough in Wednesday’s oral arguments in Albany to prevent Ratner from getting the property he needs for development.

William Ward, who runs the legal blog, New Jersey Eminent Domain Blog, said the justices at the Wednesday hearing before the New York State Court of Appeals asked fair and tough questions to both sides in the case. But working against the petitioners is legal precedent that will likely result in another instance of forward progress for the Atlantic Yards development.

“In this case, the petitioners have a very tough road ahead of them if they’re going to prevent this project from going forward,” said Ward, who has prior experience as a deputy attorney general in New Jersey, litigating cases for the Department of Transportation, and as secretary and general counsel for the New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority.

During the arguments on Wednesdays, petitioners argued that the scope of “public use” in acquiring land through eminent domain for projects like the Atlantic Yards site, needed to be paired back and limited. However, legal precedent has demonstrated that “public use” has been broadened over time, not narrowed.

Ward said he was unaware of any cases where the scope of “public use” had been narrowed to what the petitioners were requesting in Wednesday’s hearing.

Another roadblock for the petitioners was the timing of their complaint. Essentially, according to New York State’s Eminent Domain Procedure Law, petitioners had to file their complaint within a 30-day limitation contained in the statue. Instead, they unsuccessfully pursued their cased in federal court and relied on a six-month grace period to support their application that the action was timely filed. If the Appeals Court wants to avoid a controversial decision, they could potentially throw the case out without ruling due to this technicality, Ward said.

One aspect of the case that could work in the petitioners’ favor was the idea of how the proposed development area was considered “blighted” by the Empire State Development Corporation. While all sides conceded that the Atlantic Rail Yards are indeed blighted, the justices questioned whether or not the ESDC condemned other properties as blight in an effort to push the whole development forward.

In this, the worst case scenario for Ratner is the court orders the ESDC to do further study on the blighted properties, which would lead to further delays for a groundbreaking. However, even with this possibility, “it remains a long shot” for the petitioners, Ward said.

While there are still other lawsuits floating around that could impede progress on the Nets move to Brooklyn, Ward believed if the Appeals Court finds in the developer’s favor, the petitioners won’t be able to challenge the ruling. Instead, the next round of legal haggling will likely focus on such things as the value of the land and relocation costs for those who have been condemned.