Sun 11/1 Rams VS LIONS

kellmellus50 · Post #1 » by **kellmellus50** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:30 pm

LIONs better win this game if not this will be a long season.key to game get calvin johnson healthy a.s.a.p so he can play in this game.

Lions notes:The Detroit Lions used their bye week to juggle their roster and added linebacker Vinny Ciurciu to help out on special teams

TSE · Post #2 » by **TSE** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:55 pm

The season is already long though. Another wasted year of not competing seriously for the playoffs or using this time to bolster our future years by testing some young prospects. I'm extremely disappointed.

Post #3 » by **ajaX82** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:39 pm

TSE wrote:The season is already long though. Another wasted year of not competing seriously for the playoffs or using this time to bolster our future years by testing some young prospects. I'm extremely disappointed.

ummm... we are playing and/or starting Stafford, Pettigrew, Levy, Delmas, D. Williams, Aaron Brown, SL Hill (when he was healthy) and even Follett on special teams. How are we not testing young prospects? I think we are doing a very good job of playing the young guys actually.

As far as the game, we should win. we really, really should. The Rams are bad. Though SJax will have a field day more than likely.

TSE · Post #4 » by **TSE** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:58 pm

Stafford/Pettigrew/Delmas, guys like this are not prospects so much as already guaranteed fixtures for the future. There is no question, we are committed to them.

Well we're not playing Drew Stanton for one! Only the most important position on the team with a very high potential parlay if he would pan out. Instead we waste our time with Daunte Culpepper, when he has no future upside. We already know what he can do, and he can't do much to help us become a SB contender or to be a cash-in on a trade.

We're not playing all of our young CBs, because we have ZERO. We aren't playing ALL of the guys that we missed on waiver wire that I wanted us to pickup in place of the journeymen players that have no upside or future.

We are doing a LOUSY job of investing into the future and exploring young players, it's my #1 gripe with the team! And we are wasting our time with having roster spots given to guys like Jansen and Salaam and the 5 CBs we do have, and MANY others.

Post #5 » by **Icness** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:20 pm

TSE--I get your angst about playing all these veterans that don't have a future with the team, but unfortunately that's a by-product of crappy drafting under Millen. There is no young depth. I think Mayhew has done a very good job of going out and signing guys like Marvin White, Ryan McBean. Those guys have some potential and they're here now to audition for that. I hope Schwartz will play them extended reps, but he is ultimately here to win games too, including as many as possible this year. I don't really care for the Ciurciu signing because he's proven elsewhere he's nothing more than a special teamer. The Lions need help there but that's a great place for the Marvin Whites and Jordon Dizons of the world to prove they belong. Those guys aren't going to get better without playing more, even on special teams.

As for the game vs. the Rams, they have major issues at WR and pass protect, so it's up to the run defense to take over early. I think a return to health by the young offensive talent will do wonders and the Lions cruise to a comfortable (for them) 30-20 win.

TSE · Post #6 » by **TSE** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:28 am

No doubt that the previous draft picks were terrible, but we still had plenty of outs and opportunities to maneuver for a much better position for this year and the future years from transactions that we didn't do. We actually still could clean house by yanking some guys off this team for some PS players around the league. There's not much we can do there but still some movement possible which will give us a little bit of a head start on the house cleaning that we BADLY need to do.

chrbal · Post #7 » by **chrbal** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:08 pm

As nice as it would have been to have Jason Hanson, Nick Harris, and 51 20 somethings on the roster. Thats just not realistic.

And what guys did we miss on the waiver wire?

We aren't playing ALL of the guys that we missed on waiver wire that I wanted us to pickup

Simply put the Lions HAVE absolutely no chance to majorly improve this year. You can't go 0-16 and then suddenly be great. Just like you can't go 0-16 and then only bring in young players.

I also don't understand the point of this

No doubt that the previous draft picks were terrible, but we still had plenty of outs and opportunities to maneuver for a much better position for this year and the future years from transactions that we didn't do.

We get it. Millen sucked, unfortunately i'm short a flux capicitor to change that.

Bartender · Post #8 » by **Bartender** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:28 pm

TSE likes to believe that just cuz guys are available in free agency, they can be brought to Detroit.

TSE, Detroit is NOT a free agent destination. 1// We suck. 2// It's a horrible living environment. 3// We suck bad. 4// It's cold. 5// WE are really really bad.

If I'm on the NO Saints practice squad, I'm not gonna leave that opportunity to come play for the Lions. We are lucky to have gotten Larry Foote and Grady Jackson.

TSE · Post #9 » by **TSE** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:54 pm

No, not at all. I have not named ONE player via FA that we failed at getting. Our biggest shortcoming this year was in not using the waiver wire correctly. The guys that I didn't like in FA that we did sign SHOULD NOT have been signed by having the foresight to estimate how many waiver claims to take those spots we should be targeting. We signed WAY too many highly priced vets that have no business being here LONG before the waiver process became juicy. I'm not faulting us for the guys we didn't sign in FA, i'm faulting us for signing too many players that provide no help to our team to FIX the problem.

You are absolutely crazy if you think PS players would not leave their teams for an actual NFL job. It has been PROVEN throughout the entire history of the NFL that it is EXTREMELY rare for a person to pass up a job just so they can be a PS player for a better team. That is an absolutely RIDICULOUS thing for you to suggest. The quantity of guys that would actually make a decision to pass up on that job is a completely insignificant tiny number.

What TSE ACTUALLY likes, contrary to what you said, is to bash teams for having FAILED strategies, because it is inexcusable and a slap in the face of very patient Detroit fans that deserve a winner. I am a strategy expert, so when I see a person or an organization fail at that element, I call them out. And when people make illogical posts that try to combat my solid logic, then I destroy them in debate. If you want to challenge me on something, go ahead, but you better think out your position very carefully or I will expose the flaws of your strategy/logic if they aren't adequate.

TSE · Post #10 » by **TSE** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:59 pm

chrbal wrote:
Simply put the Lions HAVE absolutely no chance to majorly improve this year. You can't go 0-16 and then suddenly be great. Just like you can't go 0-16 and then only bring in young players.

I find it sad that you believe this. You DEFINITELY can go from 0-16 and suddenly be great. It is all a part of the strategy and the logic to take the proper path to doing so. With HIGH draft picks, and #1 Waiver wire power, the NFL gives weak teams a CHANCE to go from worst to first. It's not as easy to improve a terrible team in other sports as it is in the NFL with a salary cap and these extra gifts. I KNOW that I could turn this team into a winner, far quicker than anybody else has suggested through their competing strategies that are inferior to mine.

It's easy for you to say that it can't be done, because you have been so accustomed to seeing the Lions fail over and over and over again, that you seem to be conditioned to accepting losing and that no solution exists. Well I have news for you, a solution to become great does exist, and it would be very convenient for me if I had the job so that I could prove to you as such, but I don't, so you can debate against this notion all you want, but just because I haven't been given the power to implement my fixes, doesn 't mean that the fixes don't exist. They are right there under our nose, and we just have to acknowledge them. When that happens, we will be great. Easy-peazy.

ElectricMayhem · Post #11 » by **ElectricMayhem** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:25 pm

TSE wrote:What TSE ACTUALLY likes...

I'd like for you to continue talking in third person. It fits your persona well. Trash the I!!!

TSE · Post #12 » by **TSE** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:16 pm

GenshiYagyu wrote:
TSE wrote:What TSE ACTUALLY likes...

I'd like for you to continue talking in third person. It fits your persona well. Trash the I!!!

It fits my persona? How is that? And do you know why I talked in the 3rd person in that instance?

Bartender · Post #13 » by **Bartender** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:43 pm

There is no logic in football! I really would like to see you go out on the gridiron and play with those guys. You can use your baseball logic all you want, but football is a COMPLETELY different story.

In football, it's all about who's the strongest and fastest. The game is dominated at the line of scrimmage. Whoever wins the line of scrimmage ALWAYS wins the game. You are not at the practices. The coaches ARE good at what they do or they wouldn't be an NFL coach. They see in practice who has that best work ethic and who the more athletic people are. They are not going to cut players or not sign players that are proving themselves. It's their job to make the team better and they try their hardest with what is given to them. Football is NOT dominated with statistics or logic or brains. The DUMBEST athletes are football players but they are athletic freaks that could care less about numbers. They just go out there and beat people up and keeping their assignment.

TSE · Post #14 » by **TSE** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:11 pm

I don't understand what you are trying to say at all. There isn't very much in this paragraph rant of yours that makes any logical sense for conversational purposes. I am not a football player, I'm a football strategist. You are trying to act as if somehow because I consider myself to have a great football mind that I would believe that I could compete against the players themselves? I'm not making that contention myself, so why are you challenging me on that when it is not relevant to anything I have brought to the table in this forum?

I'm sure if I played QB for the Lions I would be just as awful as Martin Mayhew, but I don't see why we should be comparing our NFL playing ability against each other, just our strategies. I pick mine because I firmly believe that mine are more sound. I have proven time and time again over the last 5 years that the Lions have made awful managerial decisions, and I have been against them every step of the way on the majority of those decisions. Let's look at the results, we have constant and consistent losing, with no clear radical expectations to dominate in the near future, yet I maintain consistency in having the opposite position of their strategies. Coincidence? Perhaps, but I beg to differ!

I know how to correctly choose players based upon THEIR skills and abilities, not THEIR intellectual capabilities. You seem to going around in circles trying to make some kind of bizarre argument in an attempt to discredit my sound logic that is the basis for my opinions regarding football strategy. If your goal is to somehow prove that I am wrong, well you have to stay on point and attack the merits of my ideas with logical and relevant connections, not mindless banter that goes off on nonsensical tangents.

You are also nuts if you think that there is no meaning to statistics in the game of football. That's one of the dumbest things I have heard in a long time. Football is a game of yards/points/turnovers, and guys that have the ability and knack for coming up with production, in any facet, are guys that help you win games. There's a VERY high correlation between GREAT players and their STATISTICAL OUTPUT. You seem to be very confused with what you are trying to say here.

Bartender · Post #15 » by **Bartender** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:47 pm

I'm saying, when you are out on the field or on the sidelines coaching, the game is NOT about statistics. It's about getting one yard at a time and controlling the LoS. That's it. If I'm a player and I throw a INT or if I'm a coach and my QB throws an INT, I'm not gonna bash him by saying he's statistically screwing us over.. I'm gonna say, "Go get them next time." You don't get that numbers is the least important thing to a football game. They are not a computer... they are real life people who make mistakes just like us. They have decisions to make just like us. The only difference between us and them is..... THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS. You honestly think that you are above them in knowing what you're doing?! HELL NO YOU AIN'T.. cuz if you were, you would be out on that field, but you're NOT cuz logic and statistics are non existent when you are ACTUALLY in the position.

That's my point. You talk your **** on this board but you have NO idea what it's actually like out there doing football for a living. I do... I played 3 years of minor league professional football and spectating is 100 percent different then actually being out there.

TSE · Post #16 » by **TSE** » Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:31 pm

Okay then, well I'll let you have the last word in the regard....moving on.

kellmellus50 · Post #17 » by **kellmellus50** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:19 am

TSE your right and i understand you totally. When bartender says this :...
There is no logic in football.......... i lost total respect for him he is just an angry person posting.

Bartender · Post #18 » by **Bartender** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:09 am

You took what I said and brought it to an extreme. Obviously there's logic in football.. like where to be, how to make up for broken assignments, filling gaps.. and all that, but when you are PLAYING football and out on the field or coaching during the game, it is not about numbers or statistics. It's about outhustling outplaying the opponent. If we throw 5 int's in a game, it's not the end for the QB as long as the defense can get the ball back to him. You don't tell the guy he's a statistical disaster!

TSE · Post #19 » by **TSE** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:17 am

kellmellus50 wrote:TSE your right and i understand you totally. When bartender says this :...
There is no logic in football.......... i lost total respect for him he is just an angry person posting.

I figured maybe it was another drunk post. I don't know what prompted this tirade out of left field. All I know is I am definitely not interested in trying to argue with the guy. His perspective is clearly beyond my comprehension abilities.

Post #20 » by **ajaX82** » Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:15 pm

Im not taking sides, but maybe you guys should just ignore each other. I doubt either are going to get your mind changed....so let bygones be bygones and just stop it.

If anyone wants to get back to discussing how or why we should beat the Rams, be my guest...