Redd for Wallace

[Mezotarkus]

If you think Diaw is better than Boozer then you should probably pick another sport to start following.

Wow buddy, seems like you are really blinded by Boozer's stats, aren't you? Same goes for TTF and Bassman.

And maybe you should start thinking and realize that a player who has better stats, isn't automatically a fit better for a team. Especially if you have a coach who is know to be fussy.

Hell, do you guys even know why LB wanted Diaw? We were desperately in need for a guy who can pass, and bring in some more offensive flow and ball movement in our game. Boozer is the absolute opposite of that and won't improve our game at all, especially if you consider that we have a point guard, who can't shoot to save his life (Pick & Pop) and is an average playmaker at best.

I think you might want to just stop trying to save face and admit your post was ludicrous. The idea that Diaw is better than Boozer is insane. The idea that Diaw is a better player for the Bobcats than Boozer would be is insane.

Diaw brought offensive flow? Bobcats were 30th in the league in scoring. That's also known as "LAST".

The Bobcats were also 27th in rebounding. Maybe that had to do with our "4" (Diaw) only managing to pull down less than 6 rebounds per game.

And, if you were paying attention last season, Brown was pushing for a traditional big man to line up next to Okafor before the Phoenix trade.

Isn't it possible that me, TTF, Bassman and the rest of the civilized world might be right about this point and you are wrong?

[thruthefire]

Diaw brought offensive flow? Bobcats were 30th in the league in scoring. That's also known as "LAST".

The Bobcats were also 27th in rebounding. Maybe that had to do with our "4" (Diaw) only managing to pull down less than 6 rebounds per game.

These two points are why it's ridiculous to suggest Boozer wouldn't help our team. And let's be honest for a second, LB brought in Diaw because we were in DESPERATE need of a starting power forward first and foremost. Jared Dudley and Sean May were not cutting it.

As for "being blinded by Boozer's stats," well, he put those monster numbers up on 51 and 54 win teams, respectively, in '07 and '08. Those Jazz teams had good runs in the playoffs as well. He's clearly had success under Jerry Sloan, so I'm not worried about how he'll take to playing under Brown.

I'd also like to add that, at worst, Felton is an average playmaker. If anything, Boozer would probably help Felton, since Felton would have a guy who he can repeatedly dump the ball down to. We could probably expect 4 assists from Boozer if he's playing 38 minutes a game, anyway. That, along with 20+ ppg and 10+ rpg.

[Benjamin Linus]

I wasn't going to bother, but it's become pet peeve of mine.

There's a thing called pace. Faster paced teams average more possessions per game which in turn generally leads to more field goal attempts, points, rebounds, etc, etc... for slower teams, vice versa. We have the 26th slowest team in the league, so someone like Golden State, who averages nearly 10 more FGA per game, is bound to grab more boards (42.0 to our 39.7) per game than us. Yet if you notice how their opponents grab 5.1 more boards a game than they do and that we outrebound our opponents by 0.8, that should be a nice little indicator that a team's rebounding average alone is not the most accurate measure of how well a team hits the glass. With all things considered, we actually have the 12th best rebounding team in the league.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... league=nba

If you don't have ESPN Insider, you can sort it out yourself here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistic ... asontype=2

For the record, I wouldn't mind bringing in Boozer, I just had to point that out.

[Mezotarkus]

I wasn't going to bother, but it's become pet peeve of mine.

There's a thing called pace. Faster paced teams average more possessions per game which in turn generally leads to more field goal attempts, points, rebounds, etc, etc... for slower teams, vice versa. We have the 26th slowest team in the league, so someone like Golden State, who averages nearly 10 more FGA per game, is bound to grab more boards (42.0 to our 39.7) per game than us. Yet if you notice how their opponents grab 5.1 more boards a game than they do and that we outrebound our opponents by 0.8, that should be a nice little indicator that a team's rebounding average alone is not the most accurate measure of how well a team hits the glass. With all things considered, we actually have the 12th best rebounding team in the league.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinge ... league=nba

If you don't have ESPN Insider, you can sort it out yourself here
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistic ... asontype=2

For the record, I wouldn't mind bringing in Boozer, I just had to point that out.

I agree pace is important but even considering pace we sucked offensively.

The Bobcats produced 106.1 points per 100 possessions in 2008-09, 27th in the league. Slow or fast, we sucked it up offensively.

As for rebounding, I agree pace produces substantial distortion but we were not 12th best. We were around the league average when you consider both ORB% and DRB%.

[Benjamin Linus]

Oh no doubt we sucked offensively. There's just a big difference between being 27th in the league in rebounding and being 12th.

Anyway how are we not 12th when you consider both ORB% and DRB%? That's exactly what TRR is.

Fatlever posted this site in another thread http://hoopdata.com/teamadvancedstats.aspx

...it allows you to sort through stats a little easier.

[doc.end]

No to Wallace for Redd. However I think Diaw wouldn't shift for SF, Henderson, Graham and Brown and Radmanovic would take Crash minutes. And even Redd in those matches we would opt for pg duo backcourt.

[Paydro70]

Ben is right, we were an average rebounding team... though we did that because we were slightly above average in ORebs and slightly below average in DRebs, and even if we were a good rebounding team Boozer would be an ENORMOUS improvement on Diaw in this area. He's literally DOUBLE the rebounder.

Offensively it's not even remotely close, Boozer is more efficient on dramatically more shots. Diaw is admittedly a very special passer, but Boozer isn't a slouch in that department either, he's usually one of the best PF passers.

The question is purely whether Diaw can make up those gaps with his man defense. He might, though in my subjective opinion he does not. Admittedly, his raw +/- hasn't been positive since 05-06 because of how he hurts the Jazz D, but adjusted +/- has shown him coming out consistently pretty decent, and ahead of Diaw (except in 05-06 when Diaw was really awesome).

You can hide a player on offense, obviously... you just make him stand someplace his defender can't cheat off of him (i.e., the Bruce Bowen in the corner plan), and easier than you can hide a poor defender (though it's possible).

But go-to scorers are really very rare. It is not at all easy to find someone who can produce shots and make them at such a highly efficient rate as Boozer. I think that he would probably make a bigger difference on our team than Diaw does, but I don't think it's quite as much of a slam dunk as some people have suggested.

GWallace3: I actually think that the Bucks at least would have SOME reason to do it, because we'd be giving them cap relief (since Redd makes 18m next year), whereas the Hawks have to take on Wallace's salary for the next several seasons. I don't think they would, but the Hawks would be complete idiots.

[GoBobs]

we can't give up wallace he is our best player. think were we would be in the rebounding department without him

Booz has had some great years but, he is on the way down and his health is a real question. Diaw is a rare tallent and someone who does lots of other things, runs the floor, handles the ball.

Only way we get boozer is a one year rental for naz and vlad. Korver is out Vlad could fit for the jaz. and in that case we let him walk so we can go after one of the guys we really want : Wade, Lebron, Bosh

Booz is to injury prone to be worth an asset like diaw.

[Battery]

Paydro, you and Benny should hook up.........and compare stats.

[Fred Williamson]

[Walt Cronkite]

[Rich4114]

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here - what good is a good passer if nobody can shoot/score? Give me the scorer first and then try to find a passer.

Boozers teams make the playoffs. I'd happily trade Diaw, Wallace, Raja, Chandler, etc. to Utah for him. Problem is our GM/Owner is a dumbass and will never even attempt to make a trade that lands us a big star. We only trade for horrendous contracts.

[spectre_]

Boozer was reportedly looking for something in the range of 15-17 per year on his new contract. Out of his 7 seasons he's played the majority in 4 of them. He has no sense of loyalty, so even if we did trade for him with the intent to give him a max deal if another team with (in his mind) a better situation offered the same he wouldn't look back.

Sure he'd help...but I'm not willing to pay the cost.

Redd is worse than Richardson. At least Jason stayed relatively healthy.

[moocow007]

Redd is also a terrible defender which will likely result in him becoming Larry Brown's number 1 scapegoat if the season goes bad.