Trade idea (Sac/Min)

[revprodeji]

Let assume Sac wants Evans as the SG (I do not believe he is a pg)

Kevin martin+ filler (S. Rodg)

for

Blount(exp)+Sessions+Utah 1st


Sac gets the exp contract, the late 1st and the nice young pg with a friendly contract.

if Rambis will not play Sessions 25min then we need to trade him for value.

This trade cannot happen until Dec, which is roughly the same time Love should be back.

[cpfsf]

Sacramento passes (don't think even one Sac fans supports this). Anyway, I might elaborate later, but for now I gotta study.

[revprodeji]

They get a starting young pg on a friendly contract
A late/mid first rd pick
and an expiring contract.

What else do they want for Martin?

[Wolves2011]

Let assume Sac wants Evans as the SG (I do not believe he is a pg)

Kevin martin+ filler (S. Rodg)

for

Blount(exp)+Sessions+Utah 1st


Sac gets the exp contract, the late 1st and the nice young pg with a friendly contract.

if Rambis will not play Sessions 25min then we need to trade him for value.

This trade cannot happen until Dec, which is roughly the same time Love should be back.

I like Martin as a shooter and he has length

Martins WP48 was 0.115 last season, with .100 as an average player.

The year before in 2007-2008 he was 0.183, if he played 82 games at 35 min/gm that works out to about 11 wins.

But his defense is suspect. His defensive win share was only 0.1.

In three years previous to last year he was 1.1, 1.9, 1.9

That is poor defense.

Martin also has a history of injury.

Games played: from last year back: 51, 61, 80, 72,

With all that being said, if Rambis is really only going to use Sessions as a back up PG and Flynn continues playing well, its a smart trade.

But Martin will have to improve his defense and stay on the court, to take Minneapolis we want to go..... Championship # 6 [Five when the Lakers were here and the first with the Wolves.]

[Note: I love tweeking Los Angeles fans with that.....lol]

[shrink]

Its hard to get a feel for SAC from posters on these boards. From other reading I've done on the Kings, I'd put them on my list of "Top Five Teams that may trade Talent for Financial Relief" list. However, if SAC posters see the trade, they will go on and on about Tyreke Evans "We drafted him in front of even Rubio!" and point out that they didn't use their MLE, so they could have made an offer for Sessions without giving up anything.

Kevin Martin is a good (not great) player on a good contract. Unfortunately, he's the best player on the Kings and the face of the franchise. Posters will demand a ransom for him. I expect if he's traded, it will be for an amount similar to this. I don't believe they'll be able to use KM's trade value to even get anyone to take Udrih's bad contract off their hands.

EDIT: I meant to say, mediocre (not good) contract.

$9,680,170
$10,600,005
$11,519,840
$12,439,675

Its fine offensively for a young number one player offensively, but withoutthe defense, I'm nto a fan of its length. I don't see how Martin's production grows with his contract.

[Klomp]

They get a starting young pg on a friendly contract
A late/mid first rd pick
and an expiring contract.

What else do they want for Martin?

If you were offered that deal for Al Jefferson, would you take it? Kevin Martin is to the Kings what Al Jefferson is to the Wolves.

[revprodeji]

Klomp that is a horrible understanding of value. (Or are you ripping on the fans)

Wolves2011. STOP THE DOUBLE SPACING IT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO READ YOUR POSTS

[cpfsf]

They get a starting young pg on a friendly contract
A late/mid first rd pick
and an expiring contract.

What else do they want for Martin?

Fine, I'll cheat on my online exam. Just basing this off of NBA.com and ESPN's power rankings. On draft day, they will have a pick between 19th and 21st...meh. The worst team in the NBA won't be able to sell any tickets with a lineup of Sessions/Evans/Mason/Thompson/Hawes. I mean what's their slogan going to be, "See what they can do?" Plus the Kings are hoping Sessions will match his production on the Bucks. Remember they already have Udrih on a long (and bloated) contract and may not be willing to take a commitment to another point guard who many will argue is unproven. Plus, teams can offer packages a lot better than Sessions and a mediocre pick.

[Wolves2011]

Its hard to get a feel for SAC from posters on these boards. From other reading I've done on the Kings, I'd put them on my list of "Top Five Teams that may trade Talent for Financial Relief" list. However, if SAC posters see the trade, they will go on and on about Tyreke Evans "We drafted him in front of even Rubio!" and point out that they didn't use their MLE, so they could have made an offer for Sessions without giving up anything.

Kevin Martin is a good (not great) player on a good contract. Unfortunately, he's the best player on the Kings and the face of the franchise. Posters will demand a ransom for him. I expect if he's traded, it will be for an amount similar to this. I don't believe they'll be able to use KM's trade value to even get anyone to take Udrih's bad contract off their hands.

EDIT: I meant to say, mediocre (not good) contract.

$9,680,170
$10,600,005
$11,519,840
$12,439,675

Its fine offensively for a young number one player offensively, but withoutthe defense, I'm nto a fan of its length. I don't see how Martin's production grows with his contract.

a few points to consider:

1) If we got Martin, we can trade him on if his defense didn't pick up. Teams always value scoring [too much in my view.] Martin has the physical ability to become a good defender.

2) Will we use the cap space for a better player next summer? Gay is a much, much worse player. Joe Johnson is probably out of our reach. Wade and Lebron are definitely out of our reach. So who would you rather have in the free agent market that we have a realistic shot at getting?

and again, if it doesn't work out his salary is low enough for us to trade his scoring punch to someone else.

3) Sacramento won't do this type of deal until they fully understand that Evans isn't a PG. That will probably take a full season. So this isn't a December deal, or probably even a trading deadline deal. Its a next summer deal. So we probably can't do it with Blount's contract which will have expired.

4) By next summer, we will have gotten a feel for the free agent market and the "slim pickings" at wing next summer. We will also know if Brewer has gotten his act together [as we all hope from his last couple of games in the pre-season.] Finally we will know who we picked up in the draft. Did we get a great wing? If we did and Brewer is working out, we might not have to get Martin.

5) If we really want Martin, we probably have to give them Rubio, not Sessions. I'd like to hope that Sessions would be enough, but can't see Sacramento doing that deal. They know teams will "pay" for scoring. So they could get a better deal from someone else for Martin. We could still do the deal next summer and just take on martin's salary since we will be under the salary cap by enough to do so.

Thats my read..

[SpencerBusch]

Id do it.
And i think the Kings would Consider it. It would really help us out and i think that it would make us better.

[jade_hippo]

if we traded for Martin, it would assume we are trying to win now and had a chance. i think if we were a threat in the playoffs with Martin on the team, then Rubio in 2 years wouldn't matter and he becomes a trade asset rather than a prospect and is tradable for a piece that completes us as Flynn/Sessions would suffice.

[Esohny]

I'd think they'd want at least the Charlotte pick, and maybe want us to take more salary back.

[Worm Guts]

They'd want Flynn, not Sessions.

[Worm Guts]

Klomp that is a horrible understanding of value. (Or are you ripping on the fans)

I don't know, your offer isn't fair value for Martin. They won't take less just because Evans and Martin aren't ideal fits any more than we would take less value for Love or Jefferson.

[revprodeji]

I do not disagree. I said the Jefferson=martin is horrible.

[Devilzsidewalk]

the Evans/Martin combo looks like it could be brilliant if he can limit his turnovers

[Wolves2011]

the Evans/Martin combo looks like it could be brilliant if he can limit his turnovers

If he can limit his turnovers....isn't that what the whole discussion is about?

We know he can score but can he distribute....

pre-season stats are below....

I think Sacramento waits a full season, to see how Evans performs at PG before deciding.....
No way they decide before the trading deadline.

Evans

Most recent to oldest....

vs utah 5 assists and 7 turnovers
vs Thunder 2 assists and 1 turnover
vs Suns 8 assists and 4 turnovers
vs warriors 3 assist and 6 turnovers
vs Lakers 9 assists and 3 turnovers
vs blazers 4 assists and 6 turnovers
vs blazers 2 assist and 1 turnover

Total 33 assists and 28 turnovers.... not PG material if the assist to TO ration isn't better than that......good PG are 3X plus.....

But we'll have to see how much he improves during the season.

[shrink]

I was shocked by Kings fans on the Trade Board that say that "Evans looks fine at PG."

Now, I'm not saying he can't become a PG, but with that many turnovers, you don't look fine yet.

[SSUBluesman]

The Kings took Evans with the idea of him being the point. It's highly doubtful they can't make it through half a season before scrapping that plan, and even more doubtful that their remedy is to deal off Martin mid-season. It would then take a perfect storm of circumstances where the Kings decide to look to save money first and acquire talent second, coupled with a market where teams hoard expiring deals for the Summer of '10.

[SSUBluesman]

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