Joe Alexander

elrod enchilada · Post #1 » by **elrod enchilada** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:07 pm

The Bucks are not going to pick up his option, making him a UFA in 2010. He is a project who has a hamstring injury that is sidelining him until January.

Why not trade Tony Allen, cash and, if necessary, a couple of no. 2 picks to the Bucks for him? Basically enough money to cover Tony's salary. The Bucks need money, which is part of the reason they are cutting him loose. The Cs can have a season to see if he has any hope. Give him D-League time. Let him practice with Paul. If he doesn't cut it, let him go after the season.

We sure as heck don't need Tony Allen. And we already have Scal and JR's contracts to use if we want to do an expiring deal in mid-season.

Alexander has big time physical talent, a decent shot, and projects as a possible plus defender at the 3. He would be suitable for a running game.

Mahoney_jr · Post #2 » by **Mahoney_jr** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:12 pm

Would be a decent opportunity for Tony Allen btw.

But I'm not that much interested in another (probably injury-prone) project. Your trade proposal is pretty much Ainge-style, I'll give you that, but the opportunity cost of not being able to use Tony in combination with Scal for a higher paid player is too high in my opinion. Although I agree that we absolutely should trade Tony to get another player as we won't be able to use the LLE next season and Daniels will get a big chunk of the MLE.

klemen4 · Post #3 » by **klemen4** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:28 pm

I think bucks are making a mistake. I watched a few Bucks games last year and Aleksander is a prospect, very explosive, can penetrate, even can hit 3-pt..he is far better player than Giddens, even than Walker I think.

He will surprise a lot of people imo in years to come.

BakersDozen · Post #4 » by **BakersDozen** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:32 pm

he is a project....ive given up on TA but even I think a healthy TA would be more usefull then Alexander right now.

BakersDozen · Post #5 » by **BakersDozen** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:36 pm

Mahoney_jr wrote:Would be a decent opportunity for Tony Allen btw.

But I'm not that much interested in another (probably injury-prone) project. Your trade proposal is pretty much Ainge-style, I'll give you that, but the opportunity cost of not being able to use Tony in combination with Scal for a higher paid player is too high in my opinion. Although I agree that we absolutely should trade Tony to get another player as we won't be able to use the LLE next season and Daniels will get a big chunk of the MLE.

Im guessing Daniels will get the full MLE next year.... and it might not be from us. Marquis could have probally gotten a bigger payday from another team but decided to sign here to have a chance of getting a ring. It will be like the Posey situation all over again. Sorry for getting off the original topic of discussion.

SonicYouth34 · Post #6 » by **SonicYouth34** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:43 pm

He's like Gerald Green. He can jump out of the gym, has a decent jumper but doesn't understand the game.

I'm all for him because he has the tools to be a great defender, but the odds of him becoming a good player are against him.

Dogen · Post #7 » by **Dogen** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:46 pm

Very interesting proposal elrod. I agree that it's very Ainge-like. Since there has not been much going on in moving Scal and TA, I'd certainly look into this.

The team doesn't need anymore players right now-- the roster is set. Yes, there is some need for extra swing backup, but I think later on in the year Alexander and Walker could fill that role. the team needs to keep an eye to the future.

Hemingway · Post #8 » by **Hemingway** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:32 pm

I would hessitate to make any trades yet. The reason is we don't yet know our biggest need. Someone will eventually get hurt and then we will have a real need. I think we hold off til that happens or around the deadline so we don't bring in a point only to realize we need a center.

bawstin · Post #9 » by **bawstin** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:42 pm

SonicYouth34 wrote:He's like Gerald Green. He can jump out of the gym, has a decent jumper but doesn't understand the game.

Bingo. He jumps, and shoots a little bit but he has shown no ability to play actual basketball. He started playing way too late. You can get away with that as a big man but not at any of the other positions.

hairybyrd · Post #10 » by **hairybyrd** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:26 pm

I like this idea. I haven't seen much of Alexander but he was the eighth pick two years ago. Like Alexander, Shelden Williams was a guy who people disregarded after only two seasons and he's working out great for us. A lot of times players play down to the level of competition. It may have been difficult for Alexander to assert himself in Milwaukee as a starter but, as the 10th man in Boston, he would probably look much better. I'd roll the dice and trade TA plus some cash for him.

alwayslovetheceltics · Post #11 » by **alwayslovetheceltics** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:27 pm

alexander is absolutely terrible. great leaping ability, average j out to 15 feet, and absolutely nothing else. completely lost in team defense, and adds too little offense to make up for it.

i would much rather have tony allen for the rest of this season than trade for this guy.

captain green · Post #12 » by **captain green** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:28 pm

T. allen and JR gidden for joe alexander and jodi meeks..

works in the trade checker... do it get it done..

sucky for

handlethetruth · Post #13 » by **handlethetruth** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 3:37 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDlx84bzMks

This is one of my favorite dunks. He waits for Robinson to catch up with him so he can yoke on him, nasty. I think he is a good prospect who has some potential. I think it would be a good pickup, but i dont see him wearing the celtic green anytime soon.

chakdaddy · Post #14 » by **chakdaddy** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:32 am

I don't know why Milwaukee would bother trading him for nothing, and I don't know why we would bother trading expirings for him.

rambo_ortega · Post #15 » by **rambo_ortega** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 7:01 am

i agree that we try to steal him from the bucks.. if we offer TA and giddens. that wouldn't be bad. he is a long athletic guy who can hit the 3.

elrod enchilada · Post #16 » by **elrod enchilada** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 1:27 pm

chakdaddy--

The Bucks do it to save $2-3 million this year. This is a team that that let Villanueva and Sessions walk w/o compensation, so they pinch pennies. That is a big part of why they did not pick up JA's option.

A fringe benefit for Skiles is a healthy TA becomes the Bucks best backcourt defender, and that is a weakspot on the team right now.

The Cs also toss in a no. 2 or two if they need to sweeten the pot.

The key is whether the Cs want to spend that sort of money for a gamble on JA, or whether they think it wiser to wait and see if a better use of their trade assets comes along during the season. I assume TA has no future on the Cs.

elrod

billy2422 · Post #17 » by **billy2422** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 3:13 pm

you're gonna have to give up a first to get Alexander. Some team (especially playoff team) would surely roll the dice with late first round pick on a high lottery pick like him...

but I actually wouldn't mind doing that. another shooter off the bench is a plus in my book.

elrod enchilada · Post #18 » by **elrod enchilada** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 3:18 pm

If someone was willing to give a 1 for JA, I suspect the Bucks would have shipped him out by now. We shall see.

Wolves2011 · Post #19 » by **Wolves2011** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 3:53 pm

elrod enchilada wrote:The Bucks are not going to pick up his option, making him a UFA in 2010. He is a project who has a hamstring injury that is sidelining him until January.

Why not trade Tony Allen, cash and, if necessary, a couple of no. 2 picks to the Bucks for him? Basically enough money to cover Tony's salary. The Bucks need money, which is part of the reason they are cutting him loose. The Cs can have a season to see if he has any hope. Give him D-League time. Let him practice with Paul. If he doesn't cut it, let him go after the season.

We sure as heck don't need Tony Allen. And we already have Scal and JR's contracts to use if we want to do an expiring deal in mid-season.

Alexander has big time physical talent, a decent shot, and projects as a possible plus defender at the 3. He would be suitable for a running game.

Where do you play him after Pierce and Daniels, or are you saying you don't want to resign Daniels next summer?

elrod enchilada · Post #20 » by **elrod enchilada** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:23 pm

pure development case, like Giddens and Walker and Hudson. Work him in practice, some D-League time. See if he is worth keeping and working into the rotation down the road.

Like Shelden Williams. And, as with Williams, if there is an injury or two or three, maybe he has a chance to play and show he belongs.