boring...

[fatlever]

are we the must boring team in the NBA to watch?

i think we are.

we might just be the worst offensive basketball team since the 2002-2003 denver nuggets
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DEN/2003.html
that team averaged 84ppg that season. seems we are heading in that direction.

will we be last again in ppg? will we be last in pace?

what happened to all that talk of running more? diaw is too fat, chandler is too hurt, dj has regressed big-time and wallace apparently forgets how to score every summer.

seriously, if this collection of players played for a city i didnt care about i would have a hard time sitting through an entire game right now. i can barely stay awake as is and its only game 3.

where is the offense going to come from?
we have no post players, we have no shooters and we have no one on one players.

[doc.end]

seriously, if this collection of players played for a city i didnt care about i would have a hard time sitting through an entire game right now. i can barely stay awake

Shame on you fats!

I was was nejying the first half yesterday, partially it could be because I expected semi-blowout at best, but it was intense close game, some running included colored by chinese announcers (pleasant change from biased home/road announcers, I was able to undesrstand only James, Bown, Shaquille, DJ and Ilgauskas and probable chinese equivalent to "oh"). Refs* and our play spoiled a bit in second half, not enough garbage time/playing time for our rookies/sophomores but there were still great plays - like Cavs going 3 on 1 fst break = offensive foul. Their coach made a good job for not playing Shaq in second half almost at all, not giving us even a chance to hack him:) so no comeback was made.

Cheer up!
*we would still lose so it was not much of an issue

[Paydro70]

I'd say we're a near-lock for 30th in PPG, because we're most certainly going to be in the bottom 3 of pace. As usual, running more is a total lie, and we will once again have a methodical offense that fails miserably. For offensive efficiency, last year we were 27th, and it's possible a few teams slip beneath us again. Basically, though, this year will be the same as last year, but probably without as many personnel changes.

[Battery]

This is why we need all of our players in shape and ready to play. We need to out-hustle teams and right now it's impossible because Diaw is out of shape and Chandler is coming off 2 surgeries. I think once Ray settles back in at the 2 guard, DJ understands how to run the point, Murray comes back, and Diaw can go a full game without wheezing, we can get a better idea of what we have on offense. Also Henderson needs more time.

But if we should stink this season, then we might as well stink real bad so we can get a top 5 pick in the draft. The good thing is, we will have a very flexible roster this offseason because we have a lot of expiring contracts and some players other teams might want in trade. So we will have an opportunity to remake our team beginning next summer.

The focus (if we're bad this season) should be on who is a keeper going forward. So far the only keepers are Henderson and Brown. The jury is still out on DJ. Raymond, as of right now I would say bye bye. Everyone else is a bunch of role players. Nice to have on the bench if we had a good team, but nice enough to keep around on a rebuilding one.

[Paydro70]

Why would you possibly consider Henderson and Brown lock keepers but DJ up in the air? He's the only one of the three we've actually seen play a season, and he played well (at least on offense).

[Battery]

Why would you possibly consider Henderson and Brown lock keepers but DJ up in the air? He's the only one of the three we've actually seen play a season, and he played well (at least on offense).

Because point guard is sooooooooooooooo important and DJ has to prove he understands how to run an offense. Scoring points is one thing, but actually running an offense is a whole other ball game. Henderson and Brown make little money and don't play point or center.

[fatlever]

two weeks ago i would have said dj was a keeper, but based on these first 3 games i am starting to have some doubts. hopefully he is just in a slump, but that only covers his offense. defensively, he is a nightmare. can we really trust him to run the team for the next 5 years?

as for the game last night beings so boring... maybe i was a little drunk, maybe i was watching at 1am on dvr, maybe i already knew the outcome... maybe thats why i was having trouble staying awake. or maybe we are just painfully boring to watch right now.

when we first signed larry brown, my biggest fear was that he would turn us in to a slow paced team that uses 22 seconds before every shot and that all our games would be ugly and played in the 80s. i know a loss is a loss, but i would still rather lose 120-115 than 80-75, but maybe thats just me. i love watching good offense.

[Battery]

when we first signed larry brown, my biggest fear was that he would turn us in to a slow paced team that uses 22 seconds before every shot and that all our games would be ugly and played in the 80s. i know a loss is a loss, but i would still rather lose 120-115 than 80-75, but maybe thats just me. i love watching good offense.

The problem right now is lack of confidence. We're certainly passing the ball much better and getting good ball movement, but as a team nobody is being aggressive enough to get open, and when open they're afraid to shoot or take it strong to the hole. Nothing has changed really, except for more passing, but all of the passing is along the perimeter for 20 seconds resulting in rushed shots at the end of the shot clock. Same old story here in Charlotte.

[BobsBuddy]

Well Yep it was definitely an offensive stinker? At least with EO we would have had at least 15/15 in the paint by a player,but with Chandler there is no offense/except passes above his ears 1 foot from the rim. I like his defense /rebounding but we lost 15-20 points a game when we let EO go.The guy needs to develop at least a jump hook from 8 ft and also learn to shoot layups?
We need to shak up this lineup until Flip and Raza are 100%. I would try playing Brown at the 3 and move Wallace to 2, Diaw at 4 and Chandler at 5 and Raymond at point. Rotate Nazr behind Chandler for at least 15 minutes a game to get more offense low, Radmonvic behind Diaw, Graham behind Wallace at least 15 minutes moving Wallace to 3 to backup Brown. When DJ comes in play 3 guards
DJ Felton and Henderson use Chandler and RUN .... rest Wallace at least 10 minutes a game or like I 've said for 2 years one of these nights we are going to lose him for a season if not permanently?
Larry- if you want offense this will get the points- When Flip/Raza gets back continue the 3 guard offense-wear out the bigs on the other teams running

Now for some front office suggestions---Your team page on Real GM needs attention immediately! Why do you have stuff so old on it?. Todays pictures are October 23rd They should be of last nights game with comments and box scores on each player and the stories on the right should not be 2-3 months old they should be within last week. Leave access to the posting section as is about the fan determining the topic they want to discuss, but add one players picture/name and invite posting each day from the public as to how the fans see him on the floor? It might help Bobcats management know which players the fans see breaking their Butts for the team and the win, not themselves..
Postive/Negative feedback will help them get better on and off the court.
Its all about winning ..

[Walt Cronkite]

We have a team page?

As to the topic? Yes, we are boring. Same as always.

[W_HAMILTON]

Uh oh, looks like Augustin is the next to receive the Okafor treatment.

I think our season hinges on Flip Murray (hah).

[fatlever]

you mean the felton treatment.

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"A is better than B. B is better than A" treatment?


http://wulffmorgenthaler.com/striphandl ... 880f381ad5

[W_HAMILTON]

you mean the felton treatment.

No, the Okafor treatment is the opposite of the Felton treatment, silly.

The Okafor treatment involves constantly criticizing a player when we should be praising what he brings to the team, whereas the Felton treatment is constantly praising a player that deserves to be criticized.

Kinda like how you constantly dig at Okafor for all long as he's been here, and we replace him with a guy that has trouble putting up single-doubles, and you barely say a thing about him. Chandler has had all of Okafor's negatives and none of his positives.

If Okafor had put up three games like Chandler has, 95% of your posts would be taking cheapshots about the guy.

For whatever reason, you usually criticize or, if you have to, pay underhanded compliments to our best players, while holding up some of our **** guys on a pedestal. Maybe it's an underdog mentality or something. But either way, it's shown to be a losing proposition for our team.

Hate Okafor all you want, make up all the nicknames you want -- fact is, we're a better team with him. He's a better than Chandler, both as a player and apparently in whatever system it is that we run. Chandler has been absolutely horrific in every game he's played for us. If he's still injured, we should have never traded for him. If he's really this horrible, we should have never traded for him.

Through the games played so far, there has been absolutely no upside to that trade. None whatsoever.

[amcoolio]

If Okafor is so efficent, why didn't Paul get him the ball more today?

Paul must be a terrible PG. Its Paul's fault Okafor only made 2 shots.

[Walt Cronkite]

If Okafor is so efficent, why didn't Paul get him the ball more today?

Paul must be a terrible PG. Its Paul's fault Okafor only made 2 shots.

So it's okay to excuse our play against the Celtics, but no one else?

[Walt Cronkite]

Through the games played so far, there has been absolutely no upside to that trade. None whatsoever.

Ham, I agree with a lot of what you write, but not this part. I don't think there's any way Okafor lives up to his contract in his final years. Though we think Chandler is worse, he at least gives us some financial flexibility relatively soon.

[Rich4114]

Why argue with each other, we suck - everyone can agree no?

[NetsForce]

You guys think you're bad offensively? Watch the Nets without Devin Harris no one except Harris and Williams have any idea how to feed Brook the ball so they just dribble the clock out and take a bad shot from the perimeter.

[therebirth]

Nobody criticizes the great Larry Brown. Can you imagine if this was Bernie or the coach that followed him? These players are scared to death of not ' playing the right way' according to LB.