BaNT 2nd round - next vote breaks a tie

[Snakebites]

I'm voting for VC4P. I was a little surprised to be honest when he took KG with his first pick, but the team he has built around him flows very nicely, and I simply like him in too many matchups not to go with him. Great job to both competitors, though. I found myself liking both teams a lot more than I thought I would after their first couple of picks.

I will vote on the other two matchups later tonight. I'm still on the fence on both.

[dockingsched]

I'm picking VC4P because of his balance. I really like Steve Nash over Arenas, but every other matchup goes to VC4P.

Gremz's lineup possesses a lot more hustle, in my opinion, but dcash has produced a team that is really well-built. Gremz's bench looks really familiar to me. I like the distribution that Gremz's backcourt has, and he holds the rebounding edge from 1 to 10. I'm going to deviate from the mod agenda and pick him.

could you elaborate on this? i have beans and przybila playing center, so i'm having a tough time understanding this.

[poopdamoop]

I'm picking VC4P because of his balance. I really like Steve Nash over Arenas, but every other matchup goes to VC4P.

So you'd take Mike Miller and Richard Jefferson over Manu Ginobili and Stephen Jackson? I have no problem with your vote, but that kinda confused me

[dockingsched]

miller4ever vs. cellardoor

both rosters are pretty equal. the big difference to me, was the vastly superior post offense that milsap and lopez provide. perkins is a very good defender, but one of millsap or lopez is going to have a big advantage over smith.

vote: miller4ever


snakebites vs. vintage

i used the rosters and used snakebites' post to help answer any concerns about his gameplan, which weren't many. ultimately snakebites' roster looks really solid and with a detailed explanation of his strategy, its really hard to vote for vintage.

vote: snakebites

poop vs. vc4p

here i went with the poster that presented a strategy that i felt was what i would have done too. vc4p basically has his two best offensive weapons, arenas and kg, attacking two terrible defenders in nash and amare. i dont see any way to overcome that.

vote: vc4p

[CellarDoor]

Where on earth is the myth of Milsap's post offense coming from? He's got a nice mid-range J and he's good with putbacks, but he's no post threat. And if he was, he's not exactly a top tier scorer. It's like being worried about being burned by Spencer Hawes.

[vincecarter4pres]

Alright, I am going Snakebites, Miller and Cash.
This was really hard this time and I mean that. Benches and matchups played a heavy role in my decision making as did writeups. I almost flipped a coin on two of them.

BTW, Snakebites, any relation to BHB?

[Miller4ever]

I'm picking VC4P because of his balance. I really like Steve Nash over Arenas, but every other matchup goes to VC4P.

Gremz's lineup possesses a lot more hustle, in my opinion, but dcash has produced a team that is really well-built. Gremz's bench looks really familiar to me. I like the distribution that Gremz's backcourt has, and he holds the rebounding edge from 1 to 10. I'm going to deviate from the mod agenda and pick him.

could you elaborate on this? i have beans and przybila playing center, so i'm having a tough time understanding this.

By 1 to 10 I mean when you look at all the players put together. Troy Murphy, Foster, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, can, with rebounding rate factored in, rebound with the best of them. Murphy does play in a high-tempo offense, but he's pulling such a high percentage of boards, and he's coming off the bench. Meanwhile, Biedrins is in an even FASTER tempo pace, and doesn't quite get the numbers.

I'm picking VC4P because of his balance. I really like Steve Nash over Arenas, but every other matchup goes to VC4P.

So you'd take Mike Miller and Richard Jefferson over Manu Ginobili and Stephen Jackson? I have no problem with your vote, but that kinda confused me

I didn't mean EVERY matchup. I really like Manu, and really hate Jax. I think that when you factor in bench and all that, and the defensive + offensive capabilities, there is more balance on VC4P's team.

[Miller4ever]

I almost flipped a coin on two of them.

I'da called tails.

I really want to see Vintage come up with something because I want to see how gameplans are for these teams.

Millsap rolls like a champ and can run WAY faster than he looks like he can, often beating people in transition defense and offense, so his play off the ball (which is the most important thing on my team) is what dictates his advantage inside. He can run pick-and-rolls, pick-and-pops, backdoors, and play-action-flea-flicker-statue-of-liberty-fumblerooskies. The point is, he doesn't need a post game since he's not going to beat his man with post offense. He will catch the ball in a position where he can do damage, thanks to that midrange and finishing ability off pick and rolls. He doesn't have a Dream Shake, but I didn't draft him for his post game.

[CellarDoor]

By 1 to 10 I mean when you look at all the players put together. Troy Murphy, Foster, Josh Howard, Brandon Roy, can, with rebounding rate factored in, rebound with the best of them. Murphy does play in a high-tempo offense, but he's pulling such a high percentage of boards, and he's coming off the bench. Meanwhile, Biedrins is in an even FASTER tempo pace, and doesn't quite get the numbers.

Additionally, Murphy is fighting Hibbert, Foster, Granger and Rush for rebounds...Biedrins is fighting, well, no one last year. Maggette?

[Miller4ever]

^^2nd place in RPG was Anthony Randolph, then Al Harrington, in his short stay, and then Maggette. So, rookie, N/A, and whatever the hell Maggette is.

[CellarDoor]

^^2nd place in RPG was Anthony Randolph, then Al Harrington, in his short stay, and then Maggette. So, rookie, N/A, and whatever the hell Maggette is.

Do you really want an answer there?

[Miller4ever]

No.

But I did forget about Millsap's shot-blocking in addition to his thief skills. In 22 mpg over his career he's a 1-1 guy.

[Snakebites]

I'm still wavering on Miller/Cellar.

I could end up flipping a coin.

[Miller4ever]

Tails.

[SamBone]

I voted, (will revote if vintage posts a writup)

For next game I suggest that you make a rule that if you do not vote, you can not win your matchup

[Miller4ever]

A better rule is if you get knocked out, you still have to vote.

I appreciate that you've voted this round despite an early exit.

[Snakebites]

Hate to vote on either one of these next two.

A duty is a duty, though.

I have to vote for Dcash over Gremz. A matchup of two very good teams but I just felt that dcash matched up better with his opponent than vice versa. Well done to both.

Now for the one I've been especially dreading putting a vote on.

First, I tried to look at the overall team plan and writeup. That didn't help. Both teams have sound and similar construction and a good plan. Couldn't give it to anyone on those grounds.

Then, I looked at individual matchups, which I am generally loathe to do as an overall criteria. Little help there either. Benches were close with Miller having the slight edge, Cellar carried the pg matchup and I preferred Miller's 4/5 combo to Cellar's by a small margin. The wings were damn close.

Tried the lowest common denominator. Who's got the best player? Unfortunately, I think a legit case can be made for either Granger or Durant.

Ultimately I decided to split hairs. I decided the gap between Rose/Westbrook was a bit larger than the gap between the front courts, so I have to vote for Cellar.

Great game to both.

[BlackIce]

I have snake, gremz and miller. On my phone and had explainations. My browser refreshed and I lost them. In short damn close especially miller over cellar that was the toughest matchup I've
ever had to vote on. For gremz over Dcash it was also close but i felt that boozer is one of the only guys in the league that can matchup with jefferson in terms Low post scoring and rebounding (though dcash still has a clear advantage at PF just not overwhelming).

[Miller4ever]

Ultimately I decided to split hairs. I decided the gap between Rose/Westbrook was a bit larger than the gap between the front courts, so I have to vote for Cellar.

Even then, I wold argue that it's a very small gap. I think that Westbrook's only two disadvantages from Rose are size and shot selection. On an OKC team where he is the 2nd option, he shoots more than pass to 3rd, 4th, and 5th options. Rose had Gordon, an on-fire Salmons, Tyrus Thomas (who is not a higher option than Rose but thinks he is), and Brad Miller, a seasoned vet who may not have put up the stats but is more offensively capable than Krstic or Collison. On my team, this issue is eliminated, just like watching Westbrook work at the beginning of this season, where he is looking much better with Harden and Green stepping up. Of course, that's not how we're playing, but I am using it as proof that with better pieces around him, he faces way less double-teams and takes less forced shots as the shot clock winds down. After that the only advantage Rose possesses is a slight size advantage. I would think that since these are both young guns with huge talent that the MillLo/SmoovePerk matchup would be the one that decides it, but I respect your decision.

I firmly believe that a slight advantage in the post is better than a decent advantage at the PG, especially since we're not talking about QB. I used to think otherwise, but after seeing how the champs this decade have been built (always a top-5 PF-C combo), and an e-mail from Reggie Miller that read "Big always wins" I believe that big always wins.

[CellarDoor]

I'd love to see a youtube clip of the team that doubled westbrook last year.

And then send the tape to their owner to get the coach fired.