Next Year

[eagle13]

Looks like the Pack are not making the playoffs this year.

Can TT
for failing to build roster without massive holes.
This article makes the point-
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/68817222.html

Can M3 & Capers & Moss

Dump ZBS & 3-4

HIRE COWHER, HOLMGREN OR GRUDEN

DEFENSE
Dump 3-4
Resign Kampman, Pickett, Jolly, Collins & Chillar.
Dump Hawk & Bush. Probably Thompson.
Go back to 4-3.
Only new personnel needed is a S and another late rd CB prospect .
(CB is priority in ’11.)

We over-reacted to losing Jenkins in '08. With Cullen back, he and Kamp are great pass rushing DEs and Wynn might be OK.
Pickett & potentially Raji are great run stuffing DTs. Jenkins plays DT on pass downs with Jolly who can rush some. Who knows Raji may even show the burst he's rumored to have.

Barnett vs. Bishop for MLB. Matthews & Chillar = OLB. Trade Hawk for a 4th.
By dumping Hawk we use his $ to resign Chillar.

Draft or sign FA S


OFFENSE
Dump ZBS
Get a quality LT. Rodger's future depends on it. Easier said than done I know. It will probably be expensive in either FA$, or draft picks to move up or in trade. Gotta get it done. IF no FA, then use 1st & 2nd to move up in draft or trade for young vet LT. Include Hawk or Jones or Nelson or ’11 2nd if needed.

Can’t afford to resign Clifton. Maybe Tauscher if effective and cheap.
Can’t afford both College & Spitz. Re-sign better.
May need to let go Lee to have $ to finance other signings. Havner’s OK backup to Finley.

Draft RBs in mid & late rounds or sign FA.

We’re still weak at RB and K and also have vulnerable depth at TE, CB & OL.
Still more competitive.
But the roster new GM is getting has serious flaws. Sound familiar?

[an_also]

There is no way I see TT dumping the 3-4 after one year. It would look like a massive failure on his part. The only way i see this team going back to a 4-3 is if TT and MM are fired and the new GM brings in his new staff

[ReasonablySober]

The transition to the 3-4 defense has been relatively smooth, but it has not produced the results promised. Yes, the Packers rank tied for fourth in total defense (283.4 yards per game allowed), but if you took away performances against the horrible Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns, the Packers would rank 21st (338 per game).

Ok, but is that also taking away everyone else's performances against the little sisters of the poor?

Stats like that are absolutely infuriating.

[Newz]

I don't see how our roster is 'full of holes'. The only 'hole' that I really see is the offensive line... If we had a decent one, we would be an 'elite' team, IMO.

[ReasonablySober]

I also fail to see the holes.

[Flames24Rulz]

The 3-4 has been better than I thought at this stage in the season...

[Flames24Rulz]

And a big lol at already talking about next season. We're 4-3 with a couple of gimmes coming up and our 'tougher' opponents coming at home. Yes Sunday's defeat was demoralizing but you have to put it behind us. The game against Dallas in two weeks is going to be our real big game now because that game could hold pretty gigantic implications for a wild card spot.

I'm not buying the 'next year' talk right now when we still could easily finish with 10 wins this year.

[an_also]

Yeah the next year talk is kindof absurd. Lets face Dallas first and see what happens. If we're 5-4 after that game, we can start mentioning next year.

[MickeyDavis]

Our schedule isn't all that bad. Playoffs are definitely a good possibility. If we don't make them, MM has to go.

[El Duderino]

The transition to the 3-4 defense has been relatively smooth, but it has not produced the results promised. Yes, the Packers rank tied for fourth in total defense (283.4 yards per game allowed), but if you took away performances against the horrible Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns, the Packers would rank 21st (338 per game).

Ok, but is that also taking away everyone else's performances against the little sisters of the poor?

Stats like that are absolutely infuriating.

True you can't just take out the games vs the three total scrub teams we've played, but it can't be ignored either that in the three games that we've played against good teams, the defense has struggled. Or that in the Lions game, Stafford and Johnson didn't play.


So i'll have to wait as the year plays out before judging the defense. Lets see how they do vs Dallas, Baltimore, Arizona, and Pittsburgh. Once the Tampa game is over, it will end our run of facing the four truly dreadful offenses on our schedule. Then going forward we'll get a better gauge of how effective the defense is.

[Wade-A-Holic]

Our schedule isn't all that bad. Playoffs are definitely a good possibility. If we don't make them, MM has to go.

Agreed. 10-6 probably still gives us a pretty decent shot at a wild card, and that's definitely an attainable goal.

[bigrich88]

Wow, already giving up on the season after only 7 games?

[LUKE23]

This team is an average OL and better pass rush away from being a Super Bowl contender. Those are the two only glaring weaknesses of this team. The problem is that in today's NFL, they are very important weaknesses (especially the pass rush).

I like Lang. We need another starting quality OT and then another OLB who can rush the passer to pair with Clay. Realistically, Kampman should have been moved for a pick or OT if that was available, I don't see him ever being great in this D and he probably won't re-sign here anyway.

The Packers aren't that far off. It's just that the weaknesses they do have aren't just minor ones, they are very big ones. They need to be addressed.

[rilamann]

Our defense has actually been pretty solid overall and with the fact that our o-line can't block and commits the same stupid penalties over and over game after game they sure aren't doing our D any favors.

Not to mention MM's offensive play calling has been nothing short of a joke.With MM it's almost like you could say what is the worst possible play call for this situation and every time he succeeds in calling it.

[Mags FTW]

[El Duderino]

Not to mention MM's offensive play calling has been nothing short of a joke.With MM it's almost like you could say what is the worst possible play call for this situation and every time he succeeds in calling it.

I think it's easy for fans to overly nitpick the play calling of their team, but it far more comes down to the execution of the players. Overall, i think MM has a very good offensive mind. I've watched a ton of football over many years and few things can make an offense look bad or sluggish like a poor offensive line can. When your line can't open holes in the running game and can't pass block, it really hampers what any play caller wants to do.

We are 9th in yards per game even though the Packers have one of the worst offensive lines in the league and Ryan Grant as the starting RB. Part of the reason for that is McCarthy has a bright offensive mind that is tough for defenses to scheme against.

[rilamann]

Not to mention MM's offensive play calling has been nothing short of a joke.With MM it's almost like you could say what is the worst possible play call for this situation and every time he succeeds in calling it.

I think it's easy for fans to overly nitpick the play calling of their team, but it far more comes down to the execution of the players. Overall, i think MM has a very good offensive mind. I've watched a ton of football over many years and few things can make an offense look bad or sluggish like a poor offensive line can. When your line can't open holes in the running game and can't pass block, it really hampers what any play caller wants to do.

We are 9th in yards per game even though the Packers have one of the worst offensive lines in the league and Ryan Grant as the starting RB. Part of the reason for that is McCarthy has a bright offensive mind that is tough for defenses to scheme against.

I'll throw MM a bone on the fact our o-line has been terrible and Ryan Grant is not a very good player.I think even if we had a good o-line Grant would still suck or at least be mediocre.

The thing that really pisses me off with MM is that he doesn't make any adjustments and his play calling plays into the hands of the defense,like I said you could take the situation and how the D is lined and say ''what's the worst possible play call for this situation'' and MM damn near every time will call it.

For example in last sundays game he has Grant run it up the gut on first down,grant gains 8 yards to put us in 2nd & 2.Then on 2nd down it's a toss to Grant and he losses 5 yards which puts us in 3rd & 8.

But a toss in that situation was probably the worst play call for that situation,you either hand it off or go for a short pass to the TE or something or maybe a slant ect.Worst that happens is Grant (like usual) gets breathed on and falls down at the line of scrimmage or you throw and incomplete and it brings up a manageable 3rd & 2.

But a toss? And that's just one play off the top of my head im using for an example,every game there are way too many ''WTF'' plays called by MM,the guy is an idiot.

[eagle13]

I don't see how our roster is 'full of holes'. The only 'hole' that I really see is the offensive line... If we had a decent one, we would be an 'elite' team, IMO.

I did not say full of holes - I said massive holes - not in volume but as in serious. Some serious flaws. Like-

pass rush
pass protection
run game
special teams - we had over negative 100 yards field position1
LT
RT
RB
K
1 OLB

NOT as serious but shaky
1S & S depth
1G
P?

Packers should end up > .500 but playoffs?
Only IF clifton & tauscher fall into the fountain of youth and pass rush shows up.
could happen...

just saying-
make post season = keep your jobs
miss it = time for change

[El Duderino]

Not to mention MM's offensive play calling has been nothing short of a joke.With MM it's almost like you could say what is the worst possible play call for this situation and every time he succeeds in calling it.

I think it's easy for fans to overly nitpick the play calling of their team, but it far more comes down to the execution of the players. Overall, i think MM has a very good offensive mind. I've watched a ton of football over many years and few things can make an offense look bad or sluggish like a poor offensive line can. When your line can't open holes in the running game and can't pass block, it really hampers what any play caller wants to do.

We are 9th in yards per game even though the Packers have one of the worst offensive lines in the league and Ryan Grant as the starting RB. Part of the reason for that is McCarthy has a bright offensive mind that is tough for defenses to scheme against.

I'll throw MM a bone on the fact our o-line has been terrible and Ryan Grant is not a very good player.I think even if we had a good o-line Grant would still suck or at least be mediocre.

The thing that really pisses me off with MM is that he doesn't make any adjustments and his play calling plays into the hands of the defense,like I said you could take the situation and how the D is lined and say ''what's the worst possible play call for this situation'' and MM damn near every time will call it.

For example in last sundays game he has Grant run it up the gut on first down,grant gains 8 yards to put us in 2nd & 2.Then on 2nd down it's a toss to Grant and he losses 5 yards which puts us in 3rd & 8.

But a toss in that situation was probably the worst play call for that situation,you either hand it off or go for a short pass to the TE or something or maybe a slant ect.Worst that happens is Grant (like usual) gets breathed on and falls down at the line of scrimmage or you throw and incomplete and it brings up a manageable 3rd & 2.

But a toss? And that's just one play off the top of my head im using for an example,every game there are way too many ''WTF'' plays called by MM,the guy is an idiot.

My biggest play calling beef with MM this year has been some 2nd and 2-3 yards to go calls when we are on the other teams side of the field, he always passes and we got burned a few times as a sack followed. On sunday, we were driving to maybe take the lead in the 4th quarter around the Queens 30 yard line and it was 2nd and 2. He has Rodgers go shotgun and that's the play Allen sacks Rogers which forced a FG attempt that Crosby missed. That's happened a few times this year.

[askdavescat]

I believe TT and MM both have 3 years left on their contracts. That's too much to buy out in a single year. Even if GB loses out, neither one is going anywhere. Another crap season next year, and MM will be gone, but even then TT will still be here.