Shelden Williams

LongTimeFan · Post #1 » by **LongTimeFan** » Mon Nov 2, 2009 10:02 pm

This may be early but I think Williams is raising some eyebrows. Let me put this in the best possible light, efficiency per 48 min for his draft class:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Ef ... ll%20Teams

I don't think anyone would be surprised that Rondo is ranked fifth. He does a lot. Willims being ranked third is pretty close to shocking. The stat can be discounted because he's going up against non-starters, a lot of his minutes have been garbage time and he is probabaly still below the scouting radar. However, his favorble numbers keep piling up.

Anyways, as ninth player, he's a veritable force to be reckoned with.

Zin5 · Post #2 » by **Zin5** » Mon Nov 2, 2009 11:04 pm

It's been four games. Give it some time.

DorfonCeltics · Post #3 » by **DorfonCeltics** » Mon Nov 2, 2009 11:28 pm

Zin5 wrote:It's been four games. Give it some time.

This team is going 82-0 and Shelden Williams is gonna win the MVP.

Post #4 » by **sully00** » Mon Nov 2, 2009 11:33 pm

I was actually going to start a thread about how Shelden Williams is making quite a liar out of me. 4 games or not they are the best 4 games of his NBA life. He is showing signs that he is a better player when on the floor with good players instead of a bunch of stiffs. Hope it continues.

joneb · Post #5 » by **joneb** » Mon Nov 2, 2009 11:44 pm

Shelden was just too good of a player at Duke not to have at least a decent NBA career. You don't put up 20 and 10 as a frontcourt player at Duke unless there's some talent there. Was he drafted a few slots too high? Probably. But the kid is definitely a first round talent. He has a good head on his shoulders, a good NBA body, plays within himself, plays with toughness, hits his free throws etc. What's not to like? He won't be the first player in NBA history to fizzle out amidst a burden of heavy expectations early in his career, only to reemerge once he finds the right environment in which to thrive. See Billups, Chauncey as a prime example.

Scalamental · Post #6 » by **Scalamental** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 12:27 am

joneb wrote:Shelden was just too good of a player at Duke not to have at least a decent NBA career. You don't put up 20 and 10 as a frontcourt player at Duke unless there's some talent there. Was he drafted a few slots too high? Probably. But the kid is definitely a first round talent. He has a good head on his shoulders, a good NBA body, plays within himself, plays with toughness, hits his free throws etc. What's not to like? He won't be the first player in NBA history to fizzle out amidst a burden of heavy expectations early in his career, only to reemerge once he finds the right environment in which to thrive. See Billups, Chauncey as a prime example.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Can't envision him being a big time player quite like Chauncey cuz he's undersized for his position, but as far as his talent, reputation and college numbers go, a kid like that makes it in the nba.

Maybe it's Doc, who knows, all I know is this kid is good baby insurance.

SonicYouth34 · Post #7 » by **SonicYouth34** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 1:42 am

DorfonCeltics wrote:
Zin5 wrote:It's been four games. Give it some time.

This team is going 82-0 and Shelden Williams is gonna win the MVP.

^This

bendyone · Post #8 » by **bendyone** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 1:52 am

SonicYouth34 wrote:
DorfonCeltics wrote:
Zin5 wrote:It's been four games. Give it some time.

This team is going 82-0 and Shelden Williams is gonna win the MVP.

^This

And his number is retired after a long and glorious all star carreer at Boston...........................

SichtingLives · Post #9 » by **SichtingLives** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 2:53 am

You can never underestimate the impact Clifford Ray has on bigs. All he does is make them better, we're lucky to have him on as a coach.

bendyone · Post #10 » by **bendyone** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:19 am

DunkOnFace wrote:You can never underestimate the impact Clifford Ray has on bigs. All he does is make them better, we're lucky to have him on as a coach.

Hey...whast the Clifford Ray story...if anyone knows?? I have a loose knowledge of 90's and 80's basketball and he doesnt jump to the pront of my mind as an outstanding post big.

Post #11 » by **ParticleMan** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:53 am

shelden has been solid. but BBD, at least in the playoffs last year, was a MUCH better player.

to me shelden is replacing scal as the 5th big, which is a huge improvement. but assuming BBD gets back to form, i still think he's a step above shel.

GuyClinch · Post #12 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 5:29 am

S. Williams rebounding is better then BBD. That's not something you can ignore. He is second on the team in rebounds in limited minutes.

Hemingway · Post #13 » by **Hemingway** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 12:32 pm

bendyone wrote:
DunkOnFace wrote:You can never underestimate the impact Clifford Ray has on bigs. All he does is make them better, we're lucky to have him on as a coach.

Hey...whast the Clifford Ray story...if anyone knows?? I have a loose knowledge of 90's and 80's basketball and he doesnt jump to the pront of my mind as an outstanding post big.

One time a dolphin was drowning because it had something stuck it its blowhole and Cliff Ray saved its life with his long arms.

LongTimeFan · Post #14 » by **LongTimeFan** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 3:27 pm

But it is only 4 games and he's just getting on the scouting radar.

Kids Are Alright · Post #15 » by **Kids Are Alright** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:13 pm

You can't coach hands though and I miss Baby's when they both were working.

TheOGJabroni · Post #16 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:14 pm

Shelden Williams is more of a Leon Powe type of player than a Glen Davis type. Glen Davis is much more talented than Shelden, but with Sheed being the first big off the bench, I really feel like Shelden is the better fit on this team. I'm saying this now because I see that Shelden can contribute to this team.

What I'm not saying is that Glen Davis can't contribute. But I really hope the C's start trying to receive offers from other teams regarding Baby and a filler. Preferably receive a long SF/PF type or maybe a decent vet. backup PG.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #17 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:16 pm

He has bad hands, but we don't ask/need him to score, so it's all good. As long as he plays D and rebounds, he has value...remember, Blount did NONE of those things, and he was a 7-footer!

grantlongforpresident · Post #18 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:36 pm

I'm loving Sheldon's play so far. KEEP IT UP. He is making a liar out of me too.

SonicYouth34 · Post #19 » by **SonicYouth34** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:09 am

I remember Sheldon being a better shot blocker in college.

Ortho Stice · Post #20 » by **Ortho Stice** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 4:34 am

Through the first four games, Shelden had the best defensive rating in the league, according to basketball-reference, and the eighth best offensive ranking. He's made 4.5 free throws per game, at an 85 percent clip, and has rebounded at a great clip. If he continues playing like he does, it would be foolish to replace him with Big Baby when he's healthy. If he continues his pace -- which, of course, he may not be able to do, although I don't see why not -- then he's better than Baby at drawing free throws, making them, rebounding, is probably a better jump shooter, better finisher (he can dunk it around the hoop no problem, whereas Baby often gets blocked), a better defender, and he doesn't consider himself a primary offensive option on a team full of current and former all-stars. For his defense, and rebounding alone, I think he's a better option for the second unit, whose offense is pretty much covered by Marquise, Sheed, House.