Did We Make the RIGHT Carter Trade?

ecuhus1981 · Post #1 » by **ecuhus1981** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:43 pm

I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20. But a recent Orlando article got me thinking about the alternate possibilities we were presented in dealing away Vince Carter.

The article talked about how Magic GM Otis Smith wanted to hang onto Courtney Lee, and was willing to give Battie, Alston and Pietrus for Carter and Najera. That's right, we would have unloaded Eduardo's contract, AND gotten to keep Ryan Anderson. I don't know about you, but that version seems a LOT better than what we got. Courtney is obviously a talent, but I'm not sure if he can thrive with the increased defensive attention he's receiving. His role as a silent assassin worked to a T in Orlando, because they have so many other veteran, established weapons. Mickael's game is more suited to breaking his man down off the dribble, and he can still D it up. With Yi's bouts of listlessness and recent injury, I can't help but wonder how much of a beast Ryan could've been this year for us. With Rashard Lewis out, Anderson is torching every team that comes his way. Of course, he is also benefiting from decreased defensive attention paid to him, but he was doing the same thing last year for us, before his injury.

Enough reminiscing, I'd like to put this to a vote. Also, feel free to explain your POV, or just browbeat me back to the Trades and Transactions board with your moral authority and why I should never have made this thread.

vincecarter4pres · Post #2 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 10:03 pm

I voted the one with Pietrus, but everyone knows I am a big Ryan homer.

S.I.C. GM · Post #3 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 10:34 pm

I cant say I am down on lee yet.

I like what he brings to the table. I want to see him do his best Rip impersonation. Run around like a mad man and make the defense work. That is all Franks fault anyway. FRANK is a homer. CDR coming off the bench would be better for the team.

I say LEE put the mask back on. He must be off balanced.

NetsForce · Post #4 » by **NetsForce** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 10:37 pm

Lee is not a #1 offensive option, hell at this point in time he's not even a #2, he's going to struggle big time without Devin playing and Brook manning the **** up.

S.I.C. GM · Post #5 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:01 pm

The funny thing is that people are expecting VC's production from Lee. I dont see that and I never did. I see him more like Kittles then VC. That is what I want. I dont want what VC gave to this team. I want what Kittles did. Defense that creates turnovers and leads to fast breaks. I also want to see him move without the basketball and hit open shots off dribble penetration. Those are the things I want. Not what VC brought us because that didnt bring us anywhere.

Jersey Generals · Post #6 » by **Jersey Generals** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:14 pm

I would have prefered the Pietrus trade. That would have been seeeewwwweeet. I just read the poll: is there any material fact behind that Houston trade?

vincecarter4pres · Post #7 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:43 pm

Jersey Generals wrote:I would have prefered the Pietrus trade. That would have been seeeewwwweeet. I just read the poll: is there any material fact behind that Houston trade?

It was supposedly on the table, but that is when T Mac pulled his I need surgery routine.

vincecarter4pres · Post #8 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Nov 3, 2009 11:45 pm

S.I.C. GM wrote:The funny thing is that people are expecting VC's production from Lee. I dont see that and I never did. I see him more like Kittles then VC. That is what I want. I dont want what VC gave to this team. I want what Kittles did. Defense that creates turnovers and leads to fast breaks. I also want to see him move without the basketball and hit open shots off dribble penetration. Those are the things I want. Not what VC brought us because that didnt bring us anywhere.

I'm thinking more along the lines of Radja Bell.

Post #9 » by **jerseyjac** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 12:47 pm

no...not at all...if Ryan continues to produce how he is (though he was off vs Detroit)...the deal only gets worse...(still cant believe we threw in Ryan)

this is not a knock on Lee...I wont try to predict what type of player he could be, but if you think of him as a pure scorer, you're headed in the wrong direction...he does a lot of things well, has his whole career ahead of him and he can pave his way...still think he can improve his shooting, needs continue to play good defense and his aggressiveness needs to be above everyone else on the court...

Lee has a lot of potential...

there were a number of trades we could of looked at before last years traded deadline...I just dont think the Nets knew they were trading Vince at that juncture...and when we decided to trade Vince, the Magic said this was it, and there was nothing else better...the trade was a dump...(whether good or bad)

SOUP · Post #10 » by **SOUP** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 1:47 pm

I'm still not sure, our players haven't been fully healthy, and our coach just needs to die.

Rockice_8 · Post #11 » by **Rockice_8** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 3:22 pm

I like the trade we did. I think overall it comes down to do you like Lee or Ryan better and I would choose Lee. Ryan would not be putting up the numbers he is right now on our team. He's benifiting from Howard and Carter. Lee is the second option right now on this team and he's not able to carry that load. Ryan is a solid bench guy but will never be able to start on a championship team. Lee has the ability to be a good starter/shooter/defender. He's never gonna be a # 1 or 2 option but could be a good spot up shooter with the abilty to spread the floor. Dumping Najara would have been nice but it's not that big a deal. Once Lee can begin to blend in more the offense with a heathly Harris and Lopez then he's gonna excel. Our frontcourt is thin and injured right now that is why Ryan is getting all this fuss but we''ll fix that and Ryan will be forgotten.

S.I.C. GM · Post #12 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:04 pm

jerseyjac wrote:no...not at all...if Ryan continues to produce how he is (though he was off vs Detroit)...the deal only gets worse...(still cant believe we threw in Ryan)

this is not a knock on Lee...I wont try to predict what type of player he could be, but if you think of him as a pure scorer, you're headed in the wrong direction...he does a lot of things well, has his whole career ahead of him and he can pave his way...still think he can improve his shooting, needs continue to play good defense and his aggressiveness needs to be above everyone else on the court...

Lee has a lot of potential...

there were a number of trades we could of looked at before last years traded deadline...I just dont think the Nets knew they were trading Vince at that juncture...and when we decided to trade Vince, the Magic said this was it, and there was nothing else better...the trade was a dump...(whether good or bad)

That is what I am worried about. Having a lot of potential and Being around FRANK is like oil and water.

deviljets7 · Post #13 » by **deviljets7** » Wed Nov 4, 2009 9:58 pm

Its hard to gauge the answer to this one.

Considering the Nets' cap situation, I would have wanted to flip Pietrus elsewhere to maintain the cap space. If you could have turned him into expirings, that would have been my choice.

ecuhus1981 · Post #14 » by **ecuhus1981** » Sat Oct 2, 2010 6:33 pm

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Again, I know that looking to the past doesn't do much for our present; but I figured that since a year has passed, it merited discussion. I noticed the RealGM Wiretap that Orlando just exercised the 4th-year option on Ryan Anderson, and I couldn't help but think that he would have been the perfect 3rd big in a rotation with Favors and Lopez. He brings the offensive rebounding and long-range shooting ability that we thought Yi could provide, and that we sought when we traded Courtney Lee for Troy Murphy. Too, Ryan can play the SF, which could have given us the flexibility to counter other team's lankier lineups with an Anderson-Favors-Lopez frontcourt. For everything that the veteran from Sparta offers over the still-unfinished Cal product, I don't think he can check opposing 3's, which will either crunch Derrick's minutes or force him to moonlight as a C.

Anyway, the reason I bring up this year-old thread is this: if we hadn't traded Anderson in the Carter deal, would we have needed to trade for Troy? Assuming we did the other NJN-ORL deal, we wouldn't have been able to do the big deal with IND, HOU and NOH, nor the Najera-Humphries deal. This would have been our roster:

Harris, Williams, Outlaw, Favors, Lopez
Farmar, Morrow, Pietrus, Anderson, Petro

Less confusion and a more cohesive, complementary unit IMO. Also, IF we chose to go after a guy like Melo, we would be over $10mil under the cap still and wouldn't be trying to pawn off Harris just to match salary. and we'd still have a guy to rely on to start at PF if we needed to trade D-Fav. Oh, well, food for thought...

mikhailjordan · Post #15 » by **mikhailjordan** » Sat Oct 2, 2010 6:36 pm

- Anderson is closer to Yi than he is to Murphy so yes the Nets would still have needed to trade for Murphy.

- Sign Mo Ager and play him at SF before you play Anderson there.

:-|

ecuhus1981 · Post #16 » by **ecuhus1981** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 4:10 pm

I disagree, mj. From a purely physical perspective, Ryan is 6'10, 240. Troy is 6'11, 245. Yi is 7', 250. Looking at things statistically (courtesy of [url=http://www.draftexpress.com/stats.php?year=2009%2F10&q=&per=pergame&qual=all&sort=15&min=10&stage=&league=NBA&conference=&Compare=Submit+Comparison&pos=PF&sort2=DESC&pid[3696]=3696&pid[1150]=1150&pid[44]=44]DraftExpress[/url]), Anderson hits more treys and rebounds slightly less per-40.

Anderson's statistics in college are very similar to Murphy's, and most people project him as a similar player, albeit one who can moonlight at SF (e.g. ORL beat writers compare him to Pat Garrity).

Besides, you're missing the major point. Not only in my opinion wouldn't we have needed to trade for Troy; we wouldn't have had Lee, which means we COULDN'T have trade for Troy.

SpeedyG · Post #17 » by **SpeedyG** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:37 pm

BRING BACK BOKI!!!!!!!!!

vincecarter4pres · Post #18 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Oct 3, 2010 5:42 pm

SpeedyG wrote:BRING BACK BOKI!!!!!!!!!

"You're better then that."