FFDL [draft starts this Saturday!]

[theman]

He was on my team and YS dropped him "for me".

[Stanford]

Why don't I remember this

That's not me questioning the legitimacy, that's me really not remembering reading about it.

[insfo]

my 2c, YS didn't gain a game by dropping Griffin before the Clips game was over. The player he added (Hughes) was added to his roster only the next day.

As far as I'm concerned, I think you should be allow to drop a player @ 12:01 am on the day of his 5th game. If somehow the ILed player plays in that game, he should be fair game for anyone willing to use their WW priority .. otherwise he should be on the IL of the manager who dropped him. I don't really get the "wait till the second after the game is over" rule. If someone wants to take that chance, they should be allowed to.

This may not be the current rule, but it should be .. since as stated earlier, the player added is added for the next day only .. atleast in yahoo.

But I must say that the "You can do it, just don't jump the gun, otherwise I won't show you much mercy. You've all been warned." quote is hilarious now

Coady: Galinari was dropped because TheMan had not cleared space on his roster for the players he had on his IL when last season ended .. and he missed the deadline for doing so. So Jordan made the drops for him .. one of whom happened to be Gallinari.

[theman]

Back in the good old days when Sly was commissioner and he did the drop/adds it would get done the day following the fifth game.

[Stanford]

Coady: Galinari was dropped because TheMan had not cleared space on his roster for the players he had on his IL when last season ended .. and he missed the deadline for doing so. So Jordan made the drops for him .. one of whom happened to be Gallinari.

Thanks. I remember now.

Not even close to the same thing.

Back in the good old days when Sly was commissioner and he did the drop/adds it would get done the day following the fifth game.

I for one sincerely appreciate the effort Jordan has put into this league despite being busy. The league runs pretty smoothly on it's own, but he's still put in more effort into the league than anyone else has. You couldn't even check the league thread once in the span of several months. I'm inclined to give Jordan the benefit of the doubt here for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. Besides, he gained no advantage by dropping him a couple hours early, as infso mentioned.

[theman]

So there is no penalty for dropping players early. Great I am moving Micheal Redd to the IL.

[sly]

The IL is really, really tough to monitor... it gave me lots of grief, even when I waited by the computer, watching box scores and watching games in most of my waking life. Gallinari was pretty much off the radar before this season with his fantasy potential questionable. I think it was a reasonable drop and knowing YS, I don't think theman was at all screwed over.

As far as early drops to the IL, I think we have to be reasonable here. Yes, you shouldn't drop players a little early... no, you shouldn't be able grab a player from another team because of semantics.

With YS funneling a lot of time running leagues on the board, and being extremely fair throughout the years here, I'd definitely be cutting him some slack.

[writersblock]

Coady: Galinari was dropped because TheMan had not cleared space on his roster for the players he had on his IL when last season ended .. and he missed the deadline for doing so. So Jordan made the drops for him .. one of whom happened to be Gallinari.

Thanks. I remember now.

Not even close to the same thing.

Back in the good old days when Sly was commissioner and he did the drop/adds it would get done the day following the fifth game.

I for one sincerely appreciate the effort Jordan has put into this league despite being busy. The league runs pretty smoothly on it's own, but he's still put in more effort into the league than anyone else has. You couldn't even check the league thread once in the span of several months. I'm inclined to give Jordan the benefit of the doubt here for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. Besides, he gained no advantage by dropping him a couple hours early, as infso mentioned.

Sorry, TheMAn, you might make some good points, but I have to give this one to Jordan. He dropped the guy on the day of his 5th game. Nothing is wrong with that. He doesn't get his "added" guy on that day of games so No Harm, No Foul. I also have to add that that I completely agree with Coady here. Jordan has run this league, and the FFL, superbly. Blake Griffin belongs to Jordan. End of discussion.

[CFan21]

I will side with The Man on this one, pending proof of the start time of Griffin's game (dropped at 8:23 pm). I think what's really at play here is disgruntled manager syndrome where one of the league originals feels slightly by the lack of thought and respect he's shown by the less-tenured managers (who run the league whose efforts I highly appreciate being the FFDL baseball commish myself). From my experience when stuff like this happened in my league you guys are at risk of pushing away one of the treasures of this league. Jordan you got him over the summer when you were unnecessarily harsh in not letting theman pick who to drop (really, what was it going to matter waiting another day or two?) and I profess myself to getting emails from theman to remind me when I was up in the draft and stuff like that and regret not paying close enough attention to return the favor.

Anyways, theman "gotcha" back and in considerably more impressive fashion. The quote, "You can do it, just don't jump the gun, otherwise I won't show you much mercy. You've all been warned." looks pretty damning right now. If such a rule exists that specifies that dropping on the day of the fifth game is okay because you don't get the new player until the day after, please bring it forth. If you guys can find that I'm sure theman will sit on Jordan's lap and call him daddy. Otherwise, what happened here is that Jordan jumped the gun just like he said not to.

We all saw what happened. To pretend this never occurred or imply that it should be smoothed over because Jordan is a good commish is not fair play and to do so risks elevating this from revenge to permanent alienation. That's just what I think. And yes I realize I'm never getting a high draft pick again now.

[Stanford]

I'll side with the man on this one too. He proved his point. Blake Griffin though, still belongs to Jordan. Insisting on taking a managers number one draft pick because of a less than minor rule infraction shows a complete lack of respect.

[Young_Star11]

In response:

@ everyone
With my drop of Gallinari, theman has had a mancrush on Martell Webster ever since he got his hands on him. Can't 100% remember who else was on his IL at the time, but Gallinari was hardly looking like a good play at the time. I probably would have been met with the same consternation if Webster had been dumped.

@ Setterlund
The only draft I conduct is FFL. I was actually MIA (ironically) and Stanford commissioned someone else to do the draft.

Looking back at the transaction log, it looks that I dropped Griffin just before he missed his 5th game. I thank theman for having the eyes to spot it. The question I want to raise is: did I gain an advantage from having added Larry Hughes a couple of hours early? I'd happily take his 2/10 FG, 1/2 FT, 3 turnovers OFF my team stats for this week.

For the record, Mike Dunleavy just got dropped by hamncheese, and he dropped him after missing only four games. I have since re-added Dunleavy to his roster.

[hamncheese]

Thanks for putting him back. I miscounted the number of games missed, though I should've put Love on IL since he missed 5 games I think. I'm losing track. With Garcia, Dunleavy, Love, and now Yi, my team isn't healthy.

[insfo]

No Offense, but Dunleavy should not have been added back to Ham's roster. That is the definition of jumping the gun and he should have been left on the WW for anyone wanting to pick him up.

[hamncheese]

No Offense, but Dunleavy should not have been added back to Ham's roster. That is the definition of jumping the gun and he should have been left on the WW for anyone wanting to pick him up.

I did jump the gun but completely unintentional. I have 3 players who haven't played a game this entire season, and somehow thought they all missed their fifth game on so mental error on my part. I know in the past we've forgiven those types of errors (accidentally dropping players I think) but I wasn't looking to take any advantage. If the majority of the league thinks I should be penalized for that, then Dunleavy can be put on waivers. My mistake was caught and I didn't gain any stats from that. Unfortunately, my mistake occurred while there was the whole thing with Griffin, so I don't know.

[theman]

In response:

@ everyone
With my drop of Gallinari, theman has had a mancrush on Martell Webster ever since he got his hands on him. Can't 100% remember who else was on his IL at the time, but Gallinari was hardly looking like a good play at the time. I probably would have been met with the same consternation if Webster had been dumped.

For the record you dropped Gallinari AND Webster. And I would have gained no advantage having Gallinari added back to my roster as at the time the draft hadn't even started.

Looking back at the transaction log, it looks that I dropped Griffin just before he missed his 5th game. I thank theman for having the eyes to spot it. The question I want to raise is: did I gain an advantage from having added Larry Hughes a couple of hours early? I'd happily take his 2/10 FG, 1/2 FT, 3 turnovers OFF my team stats for this week.

Had Hughes scored 18 with 5 rebounds, 6 assists and 4 steals as he did the night before would you be willing to give those back? What if another manager had a player that did miss five games wanted to pickup Hughes and Hughes scored those numbers?

For the record, Mike Dunleavy just got dropped by hamncheese, and he dropped him after missing only four games. I have since re-added Dunleavy to his roster.

Dunleavy should be a FA.

No Offense, but Dunleavy should not have been added back to Ham's roster. That is the definition of jumping the gun and he should have been left on the WW for anyone wanting to pick him up.

I did jump the gun but completely unintentional. I have 3 players who haven't played a game this entire season, and somehow thought they all missed their fifth game on so mental error on my part. I know in the past we've forgiven those types of errors (accidentally dropping players I think) but I wasn't looking to take any advantage. If the majority of the league thinks I should be penalized for that, then Dunleavy can be put on waivers. My mistake was caught and I didn't gain any stats from that. Unfortunately, my mistake occurred while there was the whole thing with Griffin, so I don't know.

You know it is not that tough especially at the beginning to the season to know how many games a player has missed. Yahoo has this really neat feature under each player's profile called "game log". Count how many games are all zeros, INCLUDING MINUTES (abbreviated "Min" for those of you in Lola Linda). And that will tell you how many games the player has missed.

For the record, last season Martel Webster went down with an injury five minutes into a game. To that point he had taken one shot and missed, no rebounds, no steals, no assists. I was not able to count that as a missed game.

What should the penalty be if not the player becoming waiver fodder? This is prefered since it would gain me Griffin, of course it will gain Stanford Dunleavy but I will take that trade.

I do have a suggestion that is not as favorable to my team. The player gets put back on the manager's roster and must miss an ADDITIONAL five games before being moved to the IL. Screws me out of Griffin but it appears I already am.

One more suggestion, that will also hurt my team (thank Bucks for playing 5 games in two friggin weeks), players can not be dropped until the day following the 5th missed game. This will make it much easier to check that five games have been missed (see above). This is also how it was done in the early days and also how it was done when Yahoo had an IL.

Although as I said I prefer the waiver wire solution better. Stanford get on board. The benefit of it is it is self policing. If YS drops a player early and I see it, I swoop in and help my team. In the other scenario, if BWW is playing WB and drops a player early Carl might not say anything because he is looking for BWW to gain some advantage over WB.

[hamncheese]

You know it is not that tough especially at the beginning to the season to know how many games a player has missed. Yahoo has this really neat feature under each player's profile called "game log". Count how many games are all zeros, INCLUDING MINUTES (abbreviated "Min" for those of you in Lola Linda). And that will tell you how many games the player has missed.

Like I said, it was a mental error. What I did was check the number of games played earlier in the week using that neat feature calle the "game log", and then looked at Indiana's schedule to count the number of games remaining to five. I did this in advance so I put a note in comment box on when I can drop Dunleavy. The problem was I looked at the schedule and counted the same game as one in the game log. Mental error.

[insfo]

Extra 5 days on the active roster seems fair. That way YS & Ham get to keep their players.

Ham .. nothing against you, but intent does not matter. The rule is to wait for 5, so if you dropped him earlier he cannot be eligible for your IL.

[hamncheese]

Extra 5 days on the active roster seems fair. That way YS & Ham get to keep their players.

Ham .. nothing against you, but intent does not matter. The rule is to wait for 5, so if you dropped him earlier he cannot be eligible for your IL.

That's fine with me. I have another player that I can put on IL instead.

[bww78]

I'm always a fan of the zero tolerance rule. If you blow it, too bad. You must live with the consequences of your actions. Otherwise, why even have IL rules? Just let people do whatever they want, whenever they want? What's the difference if it's a big rule or a minor rule. If you don't enforce one, you shouldn't enforce any of them.

It sucks, but it's the only fair way to add any legitimacy to the whole system.

[Stanford]

[qof course it will gain Stanford Dunleavy.

I can tell you right now that I won't be taking Dunleavy from ham.