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Post#21 » by Icness » Sat Nov 7, 2009 2:01 am

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Icness wrote:The more I see of both Locker and Claussen the more I like of both. In the interview I did with the scouts both of them talked about how their teams prefer QBs that haven't had it easy in college, like they are hardened up already. They know how to handle pressure and adversity already. The more you watch Sanchez and Vince Young and most of the high-profile flops, the more that line of thinking makes sense.

Locker still needs to work on his accuracy from the pocket and making quicker decisions in the red zone. Claussen still forces too many balls and even though it's improved he's still not really well liked in the ND locker room. The younger guys like him so that is a good sign.

My worst fears about McCoy were on full display in the Oklahoma game.


How do you consider Sanchez a bust. Hes doing pretty well for a rookie QB and has some very solid games, along with a few bad ones. Its been only 8 games so far, and for the most part hes looked like a future stud.


Not saying he's a bust at all. I'm saying his lack of experience at playing in close games and against consistently higher level of competition really shows. I phrased the initial line poorly in lumping him with the "busts". It was a reflection on his lack of experience being similar (though he has even less than) to Alex Smith and Tim Couch and others. I actually think Sanchez is going to be great at some point, but he's got a lot of on-field maturing to do.
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Post#22 » by NO-KG-AI » Sat Nov 7, 2009 5:57 pm

That was my problem with Sanchez as a prospect. He had Vince Young type risks and question marks, without the Vince Young type upside.

I did like him better than Smith and Rodgers though, and Aaron turned out pretty damn good.
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Post#23 » by daddyfivestar » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:54 pm

This is definitely the year for the Vikings to get the QBOTF to add to Peterson, Harvin, SidRice, and Shiancoe for a killer offense down the road.
Assuming a pick in the 28-32 range, will there be that guy who can come in and learn from Favre for a year?
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Post#24 » by Icness » Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:02 pm

daddyfivestar wrote:This is definitely the year for the Vikings to get the QBOTF to add to Peterson, Harvin, SidRice, and Shiancoe for a killer offense down the road.
Assuming a pick in the 28-32 range, will there be that guy who can come in and learn from Favre for a year?



I know they have spent a lot of time scouting Tony Pike and that's his likely draft range. I attended the WMU/BSU game with a Vikings scout and he was watching Tim Hiller...who had another really bad game.

I finally got to see some game film of the guy from Fordham, John Skelton. Was not real impressed other than he's built like Joe Flacco and has a live arm. Older draftniks will remember Drew Olson from UCLA, and he's got a lot of the same skills and problems.
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Post#25 » by Roger Murdock » Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:19 am

Although there isnt a truly elite QB prospect coming out this year, I could see Claussen, Bradford, Locker, and Tebow all going first round.
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Post#26 » by daddyfivestar » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:23 pm

How about the whole league gets scared away from Bradford after what happened, then he slides like Moss, Peterson, and Harvin, all the way to the Vikings... doesn't see a snap for an entire year to heal the shoulder, then its all-pro. Sign me up.
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Post#27 » by Smooth32 » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:34 pm

Icness: Which QB should the Browns take at the top? My pick would be Locker by far.
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Post#28 » by KM44 » Thu Dec 3, 2009 10:16 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:matt barkley from USC should come out this year, he would be the 1st pick of the draft.


You're an idiot in several ways. He is only a freshman and he would NOT be the 1st pick of the draft. Barkley is trash.
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Post#29 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Sat Dec 5, 2009 6:16 am

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Hearing some buzz recently for Oregon State QB Sean Canfield, all of it positive. Any chance that he slips into the first round if he tests out athletically? At 6-5, with an above-average arm, I like his odds right now.
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Post#30 » by lpsevier » Mon Dec 7, 2009 8:47 pm

I don't see how Claussen is not the first QB taken now that he has declared.
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Post#31 » by NO-KG-AI » Tue Dec 8, 2009 12:15 am

lpsevier wrote:I don't see how Claussen is not the first QB taken now that he has declared.


Because Locker could still declare, and if he lights up the combine and workouts like he is expected, he might jump Clausen on some boards.

He's shown he's willing to put in the work to get a lot better under Sarkisian, some coach might think they can continue to develop him.

Clausen is really polished already, one of the more "ready" junior prospects we've seen in a while.

Locker and Clausen coming out really could save this QB class from being historically terrible. Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy as the top seniors? Yuck.
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Post#32 » by NoSkyy » Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:34 am

KM44 wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:matt barkley from USC should come out this year, he would be the 1st pick of the draft.


You're an idiot in several ways. He is only a freshman and he would NOT be the 1st pick of the draft. Barkley is trash.


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Post#33 » by lpsevier » Tue Dec 8, 2009 2:48 pm

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lpsevier wrote:I don't see how Claussen is not the first QB taken now that he has declared.


Because Locker could still declare, and if he lights up the combine and workouts like he is expected, he might jump Clausen on some boards.

He's shown he's willing to put in the work to get a lot better under Sarkisian, some coach might think they can continue to develop him.

Clausen is really polished already, one of the more "ready" junior prospects we've seen in a while.

Locker and Clausen coming out really could save this QB class from being historically terrible. Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy as the top seniors? Yuck.


Do you think Locker will outperform Clausen at the combine?

Also I was surprised to hear McShay talk about Cluasen being inaccurate on deep balls this morning, that always seemed a strength to me.
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Post#34 » by Icness » Tue Dec 8, 2009 7:05 pm

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NO-KG-AI wrote:
lpsevier wrote:I don't see how Claussen is not the first QB taken now that he has declared.


Because Locker could still declare, and if he lights up the combine and workouts like he is expected, he might jump Clausen on some boards.

He's shown he's willing to put in the work to get a lot better under Sarkisian, some coach might think they can continue to develop him.

Clausen is really polished already, one of the more "ready" junior prospects we've seen in a while.

Locker and Clausen coming out really could save this QB class from being historically terrible. Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy as the top seniors? Yuck.


Do you think Locker will outperform Clausen at the combine?

Also I was surprised to hear McShay talk about Cluasen being inaccurate on deep balls this morning, that always seemed a strength to me.


Locker is a much better overall athlete than Claussen, though I think Jimmy gets unfairly knocked for his mobility. He's agile in the way Tom Brady is, god pocket awareness and how to step around and such.

I don't know what McShay is looking at; Claussen throws the best deep ball of any QB in the last two drafts except Flacco--who isn't exactly accurate with his either. Remember that McShay was himself a QB and those who playd the position tend to judge the prospects more harshly. Mike Mayock was a DB and he's always much more negative on them than others. As I pretty much stunk, I have no inherent bias like that :P
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Post#35 » by NO-KG-AI » Tue Dec 8, 2009 7:53 pm

I think Clausen throws a great deep ball. Sometimes it looks bad because he throws high and outside balls, but I honestly think he's doing that on purpose because he knows his guys can make the play on it.

Some view it as inaccurate, and sometimes it is, guys just overshoot a little, but I think in Clausen's case, it's good placement.

As for Locker outperforming Clausen at the combine, I think he is for sure. The places where Clausen stands out in comparison (ball placement in coverage, sliding in the pocket to avoid pressure, dissecting defenses quickly) aren't going to shine through like Locker's strengths.

When Locker runs a probably 4.5 or better, throws those lasers downfield, and then takes snaps with no rush, where he doesn't have to display his footwork in the pocket, he's going to look amazing.

He's still a little more prone to run than you'd like, but it might not always be such a bad thing.

Some teams are certainly going to fall in love with his tools though, he's built really strong, and I hear he throws a 95 fastball on the gun, along with that speed.

I actually really like Clausen and Locker as prospects though, I think any other QB taken above them is going to be hysterical.

The real curveball here is if Ryan Mallet decides to declare, now that would really make a mess of things, and he could REALLY vault up the boards in workouts.
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Post#36 » by lpsevier » Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:22 pm

Mallet would/will be a combine monster, I just can't see him declaring this year with this many projected first/second round QB's coming out.
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Post#37 » by Icness » Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:53 pm

lpsevier wrote:Mallet would/will be a combine monster, I just can't see him declaring this year with this many projected first/second round QB's coming out.


A very reliable source tells me Mallet thinks he will go #1 overall in 2011 and will stick around at Arkansas. He's somewhere between Chad Henne and Josh Freeman in my mind right now in terms of draft value and what he's shown for upside. Another year and he could very well prove he's a bigger Carson Palmer with a better deep ball.
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Post#38 » by NO-KG-AI » Tue Dec 8, 2009 9:55 pm

I think the reason these guys are 1st/2nd round guysis because demand for a QB is outweighing how many quality choices there are.

Mallet can compete for number 1 in the future, but I think he'd go round one even now.
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Post#39 » by lpsevier » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:43 pm

I do to.

I could see him ahead of Bradford and possibly McCoy.

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