O.T working out or bodybuilding

[TonyMontana]

I posted this on O.T section so I figured sharing this with my bros incase they were looking for a good suppliment. So here you go.


So a few of you guys have posted some threads in the past about working out, steriods and what types of muscle enhancement suppliments to use. Now I dont usually recommend things unless I use them and see results........... So here it is.

Myogenix AfterShock Recovery.

This is one of the latest and the most proven post and recovery supplement that is in the market right now. It is proven and I have had very good results.

Two months ago I weight 223 and my body fat had shot up to 15.9% and I have dropped well over 13 pounds and my bodyfat is 11.7% and not only am I ripped but Im a lot more tonned down and I have increased my mass both in my delts, arms and my chest. This stuff works very well and if your serious about working out then try it. I highly recommend it. Also if you have any joint or back problems after ballin or working out USE THIS. It does wonders.



Here are a few reviews about it.

http://www.fitflex.com/myogenix-afersho ... eview.html

http://www.thesupplementrating.com/listing.php?id=631


http://www.illpumpyouup.com/myogenix/af ... covery.htm

[Slava]

Tony, what are your recommendations for Creatine? You must have used it right. I want to start taking it and so far whey protein & protein bars are the only supplements I have taken.

[semi-sentient]

How does it stack up when compared to Muscle Milk, if you've ever tried it? I've been using that for about 6 months and the results have been decent muscle wise, but my body fat has not really decreased which is my primary goal. It's insane how I used to struggle to gain weight and now I can't keep the isht off, and I diet like a damn madman.

I might give that a try after my body heals up. I've got some lingering shoulder/forearm pain that just won't go away (mostly tendonitis).

j-far: Cell-Tech Hardcore is pretty good as far as creatine is concerned -- based on research I've done and from personal experience. You only take it once a day (immediately after workouts) and it doesn't take long to notice a difference in strength/stamina. I actually stopped taking it because I was so "swoll" that I was having problems scratching parts of my back, so it's pretty effective in terms of keeping your muscles saturated.

[barrettcg]

Tony this stuff better work... I'm ordering a bottle tonight when I get home.

[Slava]

j-far: Cell-Tech Hardcore is pretty good as far as creatine is concerned -- based on research I've done and from personal experience. You only take it once a day (immediately after workouts) and it doesn't take long to notice a difference in strength/stamina. I actually stopped taking it because I was so "swoll" that I was having problems scratching parts of my back, so it's pretty effective in terms of keeping your muscles saturated.

Post workouts? I've read a lot of stuff about cycling it in different phases or taking once before and after workouts and stuff like that. Whats your opinion as to what's more effective?

[Slava]

Also I've read many people say that they kind of swole after taking Creatine so I wonder if it looks good or something else.

[TyCobb]

Tony, what are your recommendations for Creatine? You must have used it right. I want to start taking it and so far whey protein & protein bars are the only supplements I have taken.

Boom and boom. You can thank me later. Also, if someone is looking to slim down and curb their appetite.....



...BOOM.

However, don't take Lipo-6X and Kre-Alkalyn/Fuzion at the same time.

[semi-sentient]

Post workouts? I've read a lot of stuff about cycling it in different phases or taking once before and after workouts and stuff like that. Whats your opinion as to what's more effective?

I think cycling was something that was being promoted early on when creatine became mainstream but there never was any good reasoning or sound evidence to support it.

This article talks about some of the myths and truths surrounding creatine (there is a section which addresses cycling): http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/animalpak22.htm

Based on that, as well as other articles that I've read, it's always best to take your supplements immediately after a workout as your muscles are most receptive to nutrients and whatnot.

Here's a good article that suggests it's best to take it post-workout: http://www.gain-weight-muscle-fast.com/ ... atine.html

[semi-sentient]

Also I've read many people say that they kind of swole after taking Creatine so I wonder if it looks good or something else.

I probably worded that poorly.

By swoll I mean that it made my muscles fuller and tighter, which is generally the desired result. I've bulked up quite a bit over the past 8 or 9 months so it was more than I really wanted, especially since half my shirts fit tight around my arms now. Creatine generally helps to increase lean muscle mass and strength, so it won't cause you to retain water which is what makes you appear somewhat bloated.

[Slava]

Thanks Semi & Cobb.

The last article was really helpful. I've been on the fence about taking creatine for like 3 months now. I think I might order it soon now.

Edit: Cool I got my questions answered.

[TyCobb]

Q: You say that the majority of creatine in each serving I take converts to useless creatinine. If this really is true, why am I still getting results?

A: Your body naturally produces about 2 grams of creatine a day. When you supplement with 5 grams (5,000mg) of creatine, you'll likely only get the benefit of 200-400mg of actual creatine (and 4,600mg of toxic creatinine). Most of the creatine is lost when added to liquid, and even more is broken down as it passes through your acidic stomach. However, the additional 200-400mg still provides you with a 10-20% increase in your pool of available creatine. That’s why you will still experience some results with your current brand of creatine.


Q: Every new creatine product claims they're the “next best thing”. So what makes Kre-Alkalyn® any different?

A: Over the past decade alone, there have been many improvements in the science of creatine delivery, including insulin stimulators, liquid serums, along with various new forms of creatine which includes effervescent, titrate, di-creatine and, most recently, esterfied creatine. However, these technologies cannot deliver an effective, concentrated dose of creatine without converting to creatinine since they are not above pH 7 and 100% stable...like Kre-Alkalyn®.

Even more important is the fact that KA isn't necessarily a product. Rather it's a technology... and an ingredient other companies can use in their creatine-based products. In other words, other companies shouldn't view Kre-Alkalyn® as competition. It is the solution to a larger problem - conversion to creatinine. Which means their customers will get even more value and benefits from their products.


Q: Why is Kre-Alkalyn's® patent such a big deal?

A: Most people have no idea how hard it is to earn a patent. Kre-Alkalyn's® patent process took nearly 1.5 years to complete. All of the research behind it was intensely scrutinized, independently tested and verified. Then, finally, on June 4, 2002 it was awarded official U.S. Patent #6,399,661.

There are literally hundreds of patents on creatine, but Kre-Alkalyn's® specifically covers ALL pH levels from 7-14 (the slow and non-conversion zones), plus the actual manufacturing process used to buffer the creatine itself. There are currently 30 other patents for Kre-Alkalyn® now pending worldwide. Each one will require independent scientific panels to once again verify the original research and efficacy of the product.


Q: I read somewhere that Kre-Alkalyn® is supposed to be “10x More Effective” than regular creatine. Is this true?

A: It's all in how you look at it. If unbuffered creatine degrades by 90% in liquid or stomach acids, then Kre-Alkalyn® would be “10x more effective” since it remains 100% stable (100% vs. 10%). Unfortunately, many supplement companies falsely advertise that their creatine products force muscle cells to absorb creatine at levels far beyond their natural capacity. However, basic science tells us this is simply impossible. For example, you cannot force 14 ounces of water into an 8-ounce glass—100% capacity is 100% capacity.

Furthermore, if someone could figure out a way to stabilize creatine other than manipulating its pH levels, the real question becomes this: Would it really work any better than Kre-Alkalyn®? The key word to focus on here is “better”. Like I said above, once you’ve saturated your cells with creatine, they simply won’t take in anymore, regardless of the form or type.


Q: Why is Kre-Alkalyn® made with Creatine Monohydrate? Aren’t there better, more effective forms of creatine you could’ve used?

A: You may have noticed that since the introduction of creatine to the marketplace in the early 90’s, there have been numerous versions, or forms, of creatine that have since become available. Even though a few have shown some promise, they simply do not have the research and track record of creatine monohydrate. It’s a known fact that creatine monohydrate is, by a huge margin, the single most studied form of creatine in history, let alone the most studied supplement ever.



To answer your question, we could have easily used creatine phosphate, creatine pyruvate or even creatine citrate. Our patented pH-Correct™ technology would work equally as well on any of these creatine forms. However, countless researchers agree that the monohydrate form of creatine is superior to all others with regard to its overall bioavailability. So when it came down to it, we decided to stick with a proven winner…and then make it better!


Q: Since Kre-Alkalyn® uses the monohydrate form of creatine, if I “stacked” it with another form, like titrate, would I get even better results?

A: “Stacking” Kre-Alkalyn® with another form of creatine is simply unnecessary. Remember, you cannot force 14 ounces of water into an 8-ounce glass—100% capacity is 100% capacity. There is a point where your body won’t absorb anymore creatine no matter how much or which form you take, even Kre-Alkalyn®. Ultimately, this would represent a total waste of money.


Q: I’ve been using creatine for years and never experienced any of the problems you claim that unstable creatine causes. So why should I care or even bother switching to Kre-Alkalyn®?

A: I can think of at least three important reasons why you should give this some serious thought:

1) The single biggest reason to use creatine is to achieve the results you desire. But if the majority of each dose you take is converting to creatinine, can you really be 100% sure you’re getting the most from your current brand? Or are you actually just getting by and short-changing yourself?

2) When your creatine converts to creatinine, it means you are ultimately wasting good money. Like most people, I’m sure you work way too hard to make it in the first place.



3) Even if your brand only converts to creatinine by a mere 1%, do you really want even that much extra toxin in your body? While I certainly don’t want to resort to using scare tactics to make my point, consider the fact that even though many studies show using traditional creatine supplements to be “safe” short-term (<10 years), we simply do not know what the effects of excess creatinine are long-term. In fact, new evidence is quickly emerging that may link long-term creatinine exposure with kidney failure and other ailments. But only time will tell which studies are correct. The bottom-line is, why take chances and waste good money when you don’t have to?


Q: If I remember correctly from my biology and anatomy books in high school, the human stomach is extremely acidic. What happens to Kre-Alkalyn® once it reaches the stomach?

A: Some industry experts, and even some medical doctors, say that even a “buffered” creatine like Kre-Alkalyn® will convert to creatinine in the stomach, just like any other creatine product. But after examining the facts, you’ll clearly see why this isn’t so. In order to digest food and kill bacteria and viruses, our stomachs generally maintain a pH values around 3 (or sometimes lower). But whenever we eat and drink, the pH value inside the stomach rises, depending on the overall pH of what was ingested. This signals your stomach’s internal feedback mechanism to begin secreting hydrochloric acid to lower the pH level.



By going back to our anatomy and physiology books, we’ll rediscover how the stomach walls actually produce hydrochloric acid. Your stomach does not contain a hydrochloric acid reservoir awaiting the ingestion of food. If such a reservoir did exist, the acids inside would actually burn right through the stomach wall. Instead, the walls produce this acid on an “as-needed” basis.


The components in the cells of the stomach wall that produce hydrochloric acid (HCl) are carbon dioxide (CO2), water (H2O), and sodium chloride (NaCl) or potassium chloride (KCl). Or as we scientist like to write: NaCl + H2O + CO2 = HCl + NaHCO3, or KCl + H2O + CO2 = HCl + KHCO3.


It’s important to understand that as the pH of the stomach rises, it automatically will try to lower the pH back to normal levels. But if the pH value drops too low, especially due to an overproduction of acid, the stomach doesn’t know what to do. That’s why you sometimes might find it necessary to take an over-the-counter antacid to neutralize this excess stomach acid and relieve gas pains.

Notice that the byproduct of making hydrochloric acid is sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) or potassium bicarbonate (KHCO3)—a buffer, which raises alkalinity. Similarly, research shows that Kre-Alkalyn® causes a net gain of alkalinity in the body. Since Kre-Alkalyn® is synthesized with buffering agents, it passes through the stomach acids, the intestines and finally into the bloodstream. All of this is to simply say that the pH of the stomach is buffered long enough to allow for full absorption of Kre-Alkalyn®

To the contrary, when you ingest low pH creatine products, the stomach walls produce very little hydrochloric acid, resulting in small amounts of alkaline buffer being produced and delivered to the blood stream, not to mention a low blood pH.

[Kobe24MVP]

For people who are asking about creatine. I have taken a few cycles of creatine and i have been lifting consistently for quite a few years. In my opinion the best creatine is either SizeOn or Cytocell.

SizeOn is a 30 day supplement while Cytocell is a 40 day and is recommended with its pre workout;cytonox

Understand how creatine will benifit you. If you have been lifting for a while and are well into lifting you can consider creatine. i cant tell you how many people know who take creatine and other supplements beyond that like sus500 susanol or something like that idk. They are not used to lifting and now all of a sudden wanna hit the weights and the products. These will only help you if you are a routine lifter looking for a little boost. Even if you take supplements and see a huge boost, it will only last for a couple months and then you will notice it all go away and even worst make you smaller than you were before.
you will put on real muscle if you focus on lifting properly, eating right, packing on the protein, and getting good rest. Creatine can help someone who lifts regularly and does the things i just said but not too many people do these things to jump right onto supplements.
REMEMBER TO DRINK WATER WHILE ON CREATINE. For the time i took it, i must have went to the bathroom a good 10 times a day. Its annoying and really not worth it. get in the gym, smack urself around and start working out without any of that stuff. ive been lifting long enough to know that its a temporary gain you will see using that crap. ....NUTRITION, PROTEIN, REST, and LIFT THE RIGHT DAMN WAY!!!!!!

[shortodom]

Best Creatine = NO-Xplode, taken it with good results, check youtube video reviews on this... really works, gets you pumped and you don't get tired when you work out and when im done with my usual set, i even do a little extra just cause i can on this stuff

[TonyMontana]

Tony, what are your recommendations for Creatine? You must have used it right. I want to start taking it and so far whey protein & protein bars are the only supplements I have taken.

Jay Jay creatine is only a supplment and it will work as supplement. So don't expect wounders from taking it. Also creatine doesn't effect some people as much as others. So you let me know whats your goal???? Mass, are you trying to lose weight etc?

Now this product actually has creatine in it, in fact it both it has glutamine and creatine in it...5 grams of each.

Also whats cool about this company is that even though they are not FDA apporved they are observed by the FDA that means everything they sell of produce has to be safe.

Let me know whats your goal and let me see if I can help. Coooooool. Meanwhile read the reviews on it and it explains a lot about this product.

How does it stack up when compared to Muscle Milk, if you've ever tried it? I've been using that for about 6 months and the results have been decent muscle wise, but my body fat has not really decreased which is my primary goal. It's insane how I used to struggle to gain weight and now I can't keep the isht off, and I diet like a damn madman..

I take it your over 30. It happens to everyone. As far mucle milk its good but read how much fat and sugar it has in it. Also ITS EXPENSIVE.

I might give that a try after my body heals up. I've got some lingering shoulder/forearm pain that just won't go away (mostly tendonitis)..

See thats why this product is good too,It has a multivitamin, antioxident and joint compounds for better recovery and lubricating the joints.

j-far: Cell-Tech Hardcore is pretty good as far as creatine is concerned -- based on research I've done and from personal experience. You only take it once a day (immediately after workouts) and it doesn't take long to notice a difference in strength/stamina. I actually stopped taking it because I was so "swoll" that I was having problems scratching parts of my back, so it's pretty effective in terms of keeping your muscles saturated .

Ya because it works off your water, it produces high water reatention in your body seeing how your body is 70% water. See thats why I love this product. I use to take both Vapor and Halo both made by Muscle tech............... Read the ingredients, on a 27g single scope alone it has 9g of sugar. Thats why your gaining weight and bloading up.

Like I said I took both Vapor and Halo by muscle tech. With one scope of aftershock I get the better results with one scope than combination of both of these products. In fact the results were much better and cleaner more definition and cuts as well for less than 1/3 of the price I was paying for Muscle Techs Halo and Vapor togehter.

Stay away from muscle tech. They arent popular because they are good they are popular cause they advertise like crazy in every magazine they can. Most people buy things because of their popularity this product I found out about it in the gym from people I worked out with.

[TonyMontana]

Tony this stuff better work... I'm ordering a bottle tonight when I get home.

LOLLLLL like I said it worked for me and I have done some good reading on it and everyone seems to be getting good results on it. Im sure you'll be happy.

[TonyMontana]

Also I've read many people say that they kind of swole after taking Creatine so I wonder if it looks good or something else.

Well creatine is a actually a cell volumizer, which means it will make your muscles retain more water than it normally will and thats why it is recommended to drink at least a gallon of water a day when your on creatine, and yes you will gain weight, which will lead to gain in strenght, the bad thing about creatine is once you stop using it you will lose much of the strength you gained on it due to the loss of the water weight you retained while taking creatine.

[TonyMontana]

...BOOM.

Ya I like Lipo but it always gave me the runs.

[TonyMontana]

Best Creatine = NO-Xplode, taken it with good results, check youtube video reviews on this... really works, gets you pumped and you don't get tired when you work out and when im done with my usual set, i even do a little extra just cause i can on this stuff

Your kidding right.
I tried NO-Xplode and Im not alone on this. It defiantly is a powerful product and they recommend to take it on an empty stomach but here's the problem. When the caffeine hits you it freakin gave me headaches like crazy the entire time I worked out on it. I work out after work around 7 to 8 pm if you work out later or in the evenings like most people do the recommended amount is just WAYYYYYY too much caffeine. I remember once I was benching and almost passed out. What I learned though is if I would eat an apple or a protein bar I would be fine but still it jacked me up with headaches, but a very good product.

Thats why I like aftershock ............. Not too much sugar, a good break down of aminos and glutamine as well as protein and heres what good about it. It tastes pretty good but lets say if you get the Berry Blend all you have to do is add the V8 berry blend juice to it and it tastes and some ice you can sit there and sip it like a dam smoothie.

[Magicontinues]

All this crap is not good for you, go natural. Diet, Protien, eat right, rest, Protien shakes at the most.

[Tommy Trojan]

Tony how much did they pay you for the advertisement?