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Post#21 » by El Turco » Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:16 pm

Michigan has struggled badly with mobile QBs in spread offenses for years. Look at their loss to Northwestern a couple years ago, or the issues they had with Drew Stanton and MSU or Troy Smith and OSU or Minnesota. Their DC English refuses to adjust what he's going to do based on the opponent--they ran a base 4-3 for at least half the game against both App State and Oregon's spreads. Lloyd Carr finally laid down the law and made English come up with a better plan to handle those situations. They changed safeties, stopped rushing the DL up the field so quickly, and got the reserve DBs up to speed. They bottled up Juice Williams & Co. very adeptly last week thanks to those changes. One other issue UM has--they don't have anyone like Dixon or Williams on the roster to run the scout team, and their coaches are unfamiliar with how to run the option-spread even on a scout-team basis.



Thanks for saving me some time. As for their offense they are starting to come alive. it seems like they went over the bump that they had in the beginning of the year and seems to be more efficient/patient with throwing. At the end they do have the best RB,WR and OT in the big ten and possibly top 5 in the nation in those categories. Add the experienced QB, it s a quite dangerous offense when they play in synch-which unfortunately they are starting to as we come closer to the big game. anyways, i ll go ahead and stop defending michigan before i throw up.
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Post#22 » by jumanji » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:25 am

To me USC will get some production from their offense, win or lose. The big question is what their defense does against the Ducks offense. The Oregon wideouts looked average(thin at that postion) against the Huskies so it really comes down to them running the veer and seeing if the Trojans can stop it. This would be the kind of challenge someone like Bill Belichek would thrive on. Pete Carroll is supposed to be the defensive guru there so lets see what he comes up with. If they rush 4 and play coverage with their back 7 then i think Oregon wins(SCs secondary never could cover). If they put 8 in the box and come after Stewart and Dixon the Ducks are in deep **** because the trojans linebackers are as fast or faster than the two i mentioned. We'll see.
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Post#23 » by neplife » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:32 am

jumanji wrote:If they put 8 in the box and come after Stewart and Dixon the Ducks are in deep **** because the trojans linebackers are as fast or faster than the two i mentioned. We'll see.



I hope to god they put 8 in the box, the Ducks would abuse them like a redheaded stepchild if they were foolish enough to stack against the run. The Ducks are a very good passing team, its just that against the Huskies it was wet and windy, and Washington couldnt stop the run to save its life, so we just keep with it.


EDIT- not saying the Ducks offense cant be stopped but I dont think stacking the box is the way to do it, if USC wants to slow down Stewart and Dixon, they need to make timely blitz' and try to disrupt the Ducks easy drives, take a note from Cal on how to beat the Ducks; cause turnovers and get lucky.
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Post#24 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:11 pm

neplife wrote:I hope to god they put 8 in the box, the Ducks would abuse them like a redheaded stepchild if they were foolish enough to stack against the run. The Ducks are a very good passing team, its just that against the Huskies it was wet and windy, and Washington couldnt stop the run to save its life, so we just keep with it.


Amen. There's nothing I'd like more than for Ellis, Malauga, etc. to get tired out by the third quarter having to chase the Ducks' east-west runners. Not to mention the fact that the Ducks run the option very well.

As far as the passing goes, two things stood out in my mind about the Washington game: (1) Dixon really wasn't having a good game (crowd may have been a factor) and (2) he was still kinda feeling out his receivers, having lost No. 2 and No. 3 to season-ending injuries. The Ducks starting WRs are Nos. 1, 4, and 6 on the depth chart, and they just took another player off his redshirt just in case. The passing game won't get back to where it was earlier this year but I hold out some hope that they can still be competent through the air.

The battle of the TE's should be interesting, with Davis (?) being the primary target for (insert USC QB here) and Ed Dickson being the primary target for Dixon. That's where the passing game will be won and lost on both sides. Conceivably, USC has an edge because they actually play LBs.
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Post#25 » by neplife » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:28 pm

The key to the Ducks run game is not only great speed, but deception. I can count off the top of my head at least 2-3 times that not only did the Ducks fake the **** out of the Husky defenders but also out of the commentators, cameras, and the fans, it was funny as hell seeing the Husky Homer commentators saying "Bang!!!" when Stewart got tackled in the backfield only to hear about a second later them saying, "oh no, Dixon has the ball out at mid-field". So, I guess what I'm saying is USC has great team speed on the defensive side of the ball, but if they bite on the wrong guy it doesnt really matter how fast they are if they are chasing a guy who doesnt have the football.
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Post#26 » by jumanji » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:55 pm

First off lets not make referances to the Husky game because the Dawgs defense, if not statistically, in reality is the worst in division 1 football. They have absolutely zero chance of anyone playing at the next level talent.

As for playing 8 in the box you certainly have to mix things up and not show the same thing on every down but all great defenses take something away from the Offense, to me that means you take away the option, let the outside backers take the Qb and have Taylor Mays take the back. We'll see what the Trojans have, i think some of those big name guys have underachived and it's time to step up.
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Post#27 » by neplife » Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:22 am

jumanji wrote:First off lets not make referances to the Husky game because the Dawgs defense, if not statistically, in reality is the worst in division 1 football. They have absolutely zero chance of anyone playing at the next level talent.


Well thats not saying much for USC than since they were only able to put up 27 points on them and pullout a very close 27-24 win.
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Post#28 » by PhilipNelsonFan » Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:12 am

Word is that Mark Sanchez will start at quarterback for USC, meaning he'll be facing (and this says almost nothing) the best defense he's faced in three games.

Seriously, there are so many variables to this game that, as Icness said, this one is a literal coin flip. I'll be in the middle of the student section yelling my ass off and hoping it goes the Ducks' way, and while I love what they have to offer on the offensive end USC is equally potent defensively.

Oregon fans believe. They come into this game the statistical favorites but with the attitude of underdogs. Even the ranking begs to differ, but this attitude remains the same. It's an awfully hard mentality to shake off when you're playing the biggest game in years.

USC fans believe that they're still a top dog and should be seen as such. I don't disagree, but they have a lot to prove based off this early season. Oregon has passed almost every test, being three inches and an extra point from passing them all. They're the ideal matchup for USC to reassert their position on the throne.

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Post#29 » by GYBE » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:20 pm

PhilipNelsonFan wrote:Word is that Mark Sanchez will start at quarterback for USC, meaning he'll be facing (and this says almost nothing) the best defense he's faced in three games.


ND gives 373.5 yards a game, compared to Oregon's 396.3. ND gets 74.5 plays run against them per game, Oregon 74.4. This isn't last years defense, we got a new coordinator and they're better than Oregon's at this point.

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Post#30 » by GSWbandwagon » Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:27 pm

oregon was not 3 inches and an extra point away from beating cal. oregon was a foot or whatever and an extra point from going to overtime.
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Post#31 » by neplife » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:26 pm

GSWbandwagon wrote:oregon was not 3 inches and an extra point away from beating cal. oregon was a foot or whatever and an extra point from going to overtime.



That is true, but Oregon had ALL the momentum had the game gone into overtime. The Ducks offense was moving the ball with ease against Cal, and the Cal offense was stagnant and Longshore was hurting bad; plus Autzen was going crazy. Theres no doubt that Oregon would have more than likely beat Cal in OT, I think the only thing that would have gotten Cal the win would have been another Oregon turnover. But it really doesnt matter what would have happened in OT we blew that game and lost, now we have the chance to make up for it.

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Post#32 » by SportsWorld » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:17 pm

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Post#33 » by britblazerdude » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:30 pm

Harsh, Oregon kind of completely outplayed them.
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Post#34 » by jumanji » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:50 pm

Hats off to Oregon they were the aggressor on both sides of the ball. Mark Sanchez and the USC offense made some plays but their inexperience showed. Was really impressed with the physicality of the Ducks against the so called vaunted Trojans. Defensive guru Carroll not only had no answer.

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