Jazz Must Make Two Moves

[awesomator]

Okay, I've been a Boozer apologist all summer. It's clear now I am a victim of my own optimism. After consideration I now feel the Jazz must make two moves right now to save the season.

1) Harpring to Golden State for Stephen Jackson.

GS needs to dump Jackson badly, could be worse for them than a cap dump. We could sweeten with Kosta or something if needed.

2) Boozer/Brewer to New Jersey for Bobby Simmons and Rafer Alston.

NJ is playing for ping pong balls already. For NJ, Booze is expiring and Brew is a good young (vastly overrated) player. Can sweeten with Maynor (or Price if we wait till Dec) if they need a replacement PG to make the deal. They can then trade Booze again to a playoff contender for additional considerations. For us, Alston and Simmons are both expiring contracts. And Alston is an actual NBA backup point guard, unlike Price and Maynor who are both D-League specials.

Our team would have some attitude with Sap and Jackson on the floor.

PG Williams/Alston/Price
SG Jackson/Korver/Matthews
SF AK/Miles/Simmons
PF Milsap/Kosta
C Okur/Fes

[QuantumMacgyver]

.............. wow..........

[kamazilla]

Bad to worse.

[awesomator]

PG situation is clearly better with Alston.

Jackson is clearly better than Harpring.

Not having Boozer any more is clearly better than having him. Addition by subtraction. We address lack of depth in the PF, C positions with NY pick. Get by this year with Fes (who looks ready) and Kosta backing up. How is this worse exactly?

[Matt007b]

you know it's bad when people are suggesting bringing in jackson (me included..) but I do like the fact that he wants to win..he's got a contract already..he's tired of golden state (who can blame him..)0

We either trade now or close the deadline in a wait and see if a miracle happens when CJ and Korver come back. Knowing the Jazz they won't make a move..but i'm not totally against the trade. I've been watching youtube clips of steven jackson..I think he'd actually work well (plus the guy can shoot..talk about spreading out the defence with a foward who can shoot better than ronnie brewer ).

I dunno.. it's a reach. Long as it's just harping and Boozer i'm ok..not sure about the guard situation..we haven't really even given our rookie a decent shot at showing what he's got. But when it comes to boozer i'm leaning towards shipping him out.

[JDubJazz]

Jackson's personality is just a really bad fit for the organization and the Booz for Simmons/Alston deal is ridiculous.

[red4hf]

What is the point of trading Boozer and Brewer for expiring contract, they are both expiring themselves??????

Just to get Rafer Alston? That's just dumb......

Jackson is a turnover-prone, ball hogging, moron....... A career 42% shooter with a career 34% from 3, he's the answer to our problems?????? Really???????

We might at well sign Stephon Marbury too, while we're at it........

[seejaydeja]

No way Stephen Jackson ever gets close to suiting up in a Jazz uni...Ever.

[DiscoLives4ever]

No, these are the two moves that need to be made:

Trade Boozer for a great guard, someone that can run the offense when Williams isn't in. I'm thinking maybe Devin Harris. The biggest key would be getting this starter-caliber point to come off the bench, however if we offer him starter minutes by playing Deron at the 2 at times this shouldn't be an issue.

A trade like Harris + Hassell (aka filler) for Booze.

We finish the season running AK/Memo/Millsap/Fes as our bigs.

Then we use our NY pick to get a big defensive minded center in the draft (NOT A SHOOTER)

Move to a lineup like this:

D-Center/Memo/Fes
Memo/Millsap/AK
CJ/AK/Brewer
Harris/Brewer/CJ
D-Will/Harris

Harris was just a choice off the top of my head, but that's what I came up with

[red4hf]

There's no way you're getting Harris, or any other starter PG or SG, for Boozer..... No GM is going to give up a quality player for one that can bolt at the end of the season...... Unless that quality player has a horrible contract....... In which case, we are not going to be interested.......

We need a ahooter/playmaker on the wing, that's our biggest need, Brewer is not the answer, right now Deron is the only one who can create offense, AK is a decent passer, but no one respects his outside shot, which makes it pretty hard for him to initiate the offense......

[HammerDunk]

Can we just put a ban on all Jackson related trade threads? I mean seriously, I would rather pay GSW to NOT trade him to us.

[awesomator]

Ok, so apparently everyone here is excited about mediocrity.

Can't trade Boozer for anyone good because there is no demand (economics people). Trading for a backup point guard and salary relief is the best we could hope for right now. Brewer is so overrated it hurts. He cannot defend (just ask Sloan), he cannot shoot. Wes Matthews looks better than him. Hell, Bobby Simmons would probably be just as good in equal minutes.

Stephen Jackson would kick every Jazz members ass for looking at him the wrong way. I want someone like that backing up Deron. That's why everyone loved Harp (or was it that silky smooth jump shot?). His attitude can't be worse than Boozers FFS! He competes hard, can defend, can get to the FT line, can shoot the open 3. Get off the "Jackson is bad for the organization" BS. His salary isn't even out of line. He's making 5 mm more than Sap over the next 4 years...

[DelaneyRudd]

If Jackson was expiring I would consider him. But he's not. He's got several years left.

[Soul Patch]

I don't really care if we don't change this year because there will be plenty of change next year.

[loserX]

Can't trade Boozer for anyone good because there is no demand (economics people). Trading for a backup point guard and salary relief is the best we could hope for right now.

Ah, but it's not salary relief, is it? We're just trading expirings for worse expirings. There is absolutely no benefit to that. If we're getting worse short-term, I want to get better long-term. That trade doesn't do that.

Stephen Jackson would kick every Jazz members ass for looking at him the wrong way.

Probably true. But not in a good way. That's why the Warriors want him the hell away from their current players.

I want someone like that backing up Deron. That's why everyone loved Harp (or was it that silky smooth jump shot?). His attitude can't be worse than Boozers FFS!

Uh, yes it can. And it is. The guy has spent the last 12 months complaining about his contract, his playing time, his coach, being named captain, his role on the team, not being traded (seriously, has anyone ever demanded an extension and a trade from the same team in the same year before?) and his teammates not standing up for him while he's busy bitching about all the other things. That's WAY worse than Boozer and I don't want him anywhere near this team.

He competes hard, can defend, can get to the FT line, can shoot the open 3.

Stephen Jackson is an atrocious 3-point shooter. I don't know where this misconception comes from but it seems to be everywhere. Look at his percentages for the last few years. He is terrible at it.

I would be absolutely stunned if Jackson came here. The Millers won't want him, O'Connor won't want him, Sloan won't want him.

[kamazilla]

PG situation is clearly better with Alston.

Jackson is clearly better than Harpring.

Not having Boozer any more is clearly better than having him. Addition by subtraction. We address lack of depth in the PF, C positions with NY pick. Get by this year with Fes (who looks ready) and Kosta backing up. How is this worse exactly?

Are you serious? Since when is it practical to trade two competent starters (one an all star) for one competent back up? Absolutely the worst value exchange of any Boozer trade I've seen yet. Creates two glaring holes in the starting line up to shore up the back-up pg position. Here's an idea: give Price his job back when his toe is better, he is the least of our problems.

And Jackson? What this team needs is more toughness, not more head cases.

Ok, so apparently everyone here is excited about mediocrity.

What??? Seems you are the only one excited about mediocrity, as you are the one defending an idea which ensures not only a terrible season this year, but mediocrity for years to come. Teams do not attain lasting competitive stature by throwing away proven assets for nothing.

Can't trade Boozer for anyone good because there is no demand (economics people). Trading for a backup point guard and salary relief is the best we could hope for right now.

Just a ridiculous, self contradictory statement. Demand will be there for Boozer precisely because of economics. $12M expiring, remember?

Over all, your proposal is a knee jerk response eight games into an 82 game season which does nothing to address the team's most pressing needs short term or long term, while also squandering assets which could be utilized at the opportune moment to address those needs.

[Montanajazz]

I love the sentiment of this Post. It is time for a complete overhall of the Jazz. Everyone should be traded or released by the end of the year except Williams, Milsap, Mathews, Fes, and Kirlinko. The Boozer- Okur experiment has Failed. Koufas, Price, Mayner are not NBA players. Harpring's contract is an albratross. Miles and the movie star are ok shooters, no defense(toughness) Ronnie Brewer is only good as a back-up. He starts on the jazz. It's time to move on or the team will be moved on. In fact, why not just start Williams, Mathews, Kirlinko, Milsap, and Fes Now?! Also, at any convenient moment in time force Jerry to just RETIRE or fire HIM!! This has been a boring futile team since 2000. I wonder if Williams went home today because he is so beat up trying to be the Jazz team so he is contemplating his future somewhere else!

All just thoughts of a Utah jazz Fan since the Beginning-paining for the jazz to do somthing different living up here in snowy beautiful Montana

[awesomator]

You're my boy Montanjazz! ( my wife is from Missoula btw... )

Too many Jazz/Sloan apologists around these parts.

Thanks for everybody's input. Makes a boring Friday go by faster

[J_Ray]

Stephen Jackson is known as the Dirk-Stopper guys

[StocktonShorts]

Those are horrible deals. Rafer Alston? Stephen Jackson? Do you realize what Stephen Jackson's contract is? He's under contract through 2012-13 for about $10M/year. Ugh.

Rafer Alston was so good the Rockets dumped him and then the Magic did the same.

I'll take Eric Maynor over Rafer Alston any day.