Gomes

[sully00]

Hey Celtics fan here. Just wondering about Gomes.

How does Scalabrine, Walker and a your late 1st sound? You'd also clear an extra roster spot, if you wanted to bring in another guy for the vet min.

Sold. I love Walker as well but Gomes would be perfect for Boston's situation. Walker doesn't make much more than the rookie minimum next season so he wouldn't have much impact on cap space. If you are guys seriously looking to get under the cap you are only going to want a future first anyhow not a pick next season.

How exactly are people frustrated with the play of a guy who is shooting 50% from 3 and leading your team in rebounding?

[Narf]

Hey Celtics fan here. Just wondering about Gomes.

How does Scalabrine, Walker and a your late 1st sound? You'd also clear an extra roster spot, if you wanted to bring in another guy for the vet min.

Sold. I love Walker as well but Gomes would be perfect for Boston's situation. Walker doesn't make much more than the rookie minimum next season so he wouldn't have much impact on cap space. If you are guys seriously looking to get under the cap you are only going to want a future first anyhow not a pick next season.

How exactly are people frustrated with the play of a guy who is shooting 50% from 3 and leading your team in rebounding?

I have no idea, actually. I'm not frustrated with him, but he's ready to contribute now and we're still 2-3 years away.

[shrink]

How does Scalabrine, Walker and a your late 1st sound? You'd also clear an extra roster spot, if you wanted to bring in another guy for the vet min.

Sold. I love Walker as well but Gomes would be perfect for Boston's situation. Walker doesn't make much more than the rookie minimum next season so he wouldn't have much impact on cap space. If you are guys seriously looking to get under the cap you are only going to want a future first anyhow not a pick next season.

How exactly are people frustrated with the play of a guy who is shooting 50% from 3 and leading your team in rebounding?

I have no idea, actually. I'm not frustrated with him, but he's ready to contribute now and we're still 2-3 years away.

That's exactly how I feel. Gomes is my favorite player on the team, but he's a more developed player than most of the team. His perfect role would be as a rotation player on a contender, and I think he'd fit well with the Celtics He knows BOS and BOS knows him. I'd miss him on the Wolves, but he's simply a better fit, in play and in contract, elsewhere.

[sully00]

I would figure the biggest problem with Ryan Gomes is the same in MINN as it is here in Boston, Big Al. I love both guys but that may be the worst defensive duo in the NBA. I am a big fan of Love as well but he is only going to make that situation worse. You have serious lack of lateral quickness all across the front line. It isn't that they can't or won't play defense just they are all bad at the same thing and that usually results in loud dunks.

The Wolves will always be what could have been to some extent and most Celtics fans keep an eye on it, I really like Flynn he has a lot of Nick Van Exel's game and hopefully not his DB personality.

[Narf]

I would figure the biggest problem with Ryan Gomes is the same in MINN as it is here in Boston, Big Al. I love both guys but that may be the worst defensive duo in the NBA. I am a big fan of Love as well but he is only going to make that situation worse. You have serious lack of lateral quickness all across the front line. It isn't that they can't or won't play defense just they are all bad at the same thing and that usually results in loud dunks.

The Wolves will always be what could have been to some extent and most Celtics fans keep an eye on it, I really like Flynn he has a lot of Nick Van Exel's game and hopefully not his DB personality.

They both improved marginally the last 2 years. Jefferson took some big steps defensively, and was almost an average defender last year pre-injury. Gomes was always a decent defender at the SF spot, but we didn't have much behind him helping out.

Cest' la vie.

[Wolves2011]

I would figure the biggest problem with Ryan Gomes is the same in MINN as it is here in Boston, Big Al. I love both guys but that may be the worst defensive duo in the NBA. I am a big fan of Love as well but he is only going to make that situation worse. You have serious lack of lateral quickness all across the front line. It isn't that they can't or won't play defense just they are all bad at the same thing and that usually results in loud dunks.

The Wolves will always be what could have been to some extent and most Celtics fans keep an eye on it, I really like Flynn he has a lot of Nick Van Exel's game and hopefully not his DB personality.

They both improved marginally the last 2 years. Jefferson took some big steps defensively, and was almost an average defender last year pre-injury. Gomes was always a decent defender at the SF spot, but we didn't have much behind him helping out.

Cest' la vie.

Jefferson showed a lot of improvement on defense last year.
To use a popular stat from this site:

In 2007-2008 his adjusted plus minus 13.66

In 2008-2009 his adjusted plus plus 5.04

Thats an 19 point improvement on what was still a bad team

[Wolves2011]

Jefferson has improved on defense. Gomes is still a "bench guy".

In 2008-9 Jefferson:

'Offensive PER at Center: 26.3
Defensive PER at Center: 19.2

His PER value at center: plus 7.1

It was lower at PF

Offensive PER at PF: 17.9
Defensive PER at PF: 13.5

His PER value at PF: plus 4.5
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by contrast Gomes

In 2008-9 Gomes:

'Offensive PER at SF: 11.9
Defensive PER at SF: 17.5

His PER value at SF: minus 5.6

It was higher at PF

Offensive PER at PF: 16.0
Defensive PER at PF: 19.9

His PER value at PF: plus minus 3.9

and what we need is SF, not PF

[shrink]

One other thing about trading Gomes to BOS -- it'd be a classy thing to do for Gomes.

He's worked hard his whole time here, doing whatever he's been asked to do. He's a classy guy himself, and trading him back to his home, where he can win a ring, would be a decent thing to do. Kahn's demonstrated with Q-Rich and Antonio Daniels that he wants the league to know he's willing to help players with their career.

Once Love gets back, trading Gomes to BOS would be a goodthing to do for MIN, for BOS, and for Gomes.

[BlazerFanDan]

Would you guys trade Gomes for Travis Outlaw?

[moss_is_1]

Would you guys trade Gomes for Travis Outlaw?

no..Outlaw is a chucker, who needs to use his athleticism more.

[Biff Cooper]

One other thing about trading Gomes to BOS -- it'd be a classy thing to do for Gomes.

Gomes was just a free agent last year, and Boston didn't seem to show that much interest. The main goals of the Wolves this year would seem to be getting Jefferson healthy and developing Love and Flynn and possibly Brewer / Sessions. It seems like we have a better chance of developing these guys and not having them get into bad habits if Gomes is on the team. Maybe in the offseason, it would be the classy thing to do rather than cutting him.

Would you guys trade Gomes for Travis Outlaw?

Maybe - if we thought that gave our young guys an equal or better chance of developing. Outlaw is someone that several people have mentioned as a mid-level free agent target, and it wouldn't be all bad to get a look at him and obtain his Bird rights.

[shrink]

One other thing about trading Gomes to BOS -- it'd be a classy thing to do for Gomes.

Gomes was just a free agent last year, and Boston didn't seem to show that much interest.

They used most of their MLE on Eddie House and Bill Walker.

I think you have a good point on how Gomes helps some of the other players develop.

[Narf]

Would you guys trade Gomes for Travis Outlaw?

If he would be willing to sign a contract extension for 3 a million year I might. But if he want's 4 mil a year in an extension, then no. Gomes is worth more IMO, but Outlaw could be a cheaper option in a year the Wolves greatly value cap space.

[the_bruce]

Send him to phx. He seems to always have big games against PHX. They lack the contracts to get it done though I think.

[shrink]

Send him to phx. He seems to always have big games against PHX. They lack the contracts to get it done though I think.

You can see why I'm not pleased with buy-outs. Ben Wallace's expiring would have made a wonderful trade device, particularly since PHO needs to shed a little salary.

This does make sense though, as part of a three way. I could see them dealing J-Rich and getting back some cap relief this year, and a two year deal, and Gomes. What team ut there could use J-Rich?

[Biff Cooper]

J-Rich is actually having a nice season for Phoenix, and looks like he even fits in the offense. Not saying they wouldn't trade him for salary relief, but Gomes doesn't seem like a very good replacement.

[shrink]

Richardson is a pretty good player on a pretty fat contract. Sarver has been schizophrenic between adding expensive talent and chopping the salaries down. PHO fans believe that any move that brings in a talented player with a big contract would involve moving JRich. I agree Gomes isn't an equal replacement, but he's a cost-effective one. His generalist skill-set would probably fit well with Nash, and an up-tempo style.