Trading Crash

ohara · Post #1 » by **ohara** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:25 am

You know, when reading how devastated Crash was about the Bell trade, it appears he is just really frustrated right now. And I can understand. This team is a mess and he is stuck. I am wondering if it would not be the most righteous thing to do and trade him. The following trade does work:

Charlotte sends Crash and Diop to Cleveland.
Cleveland sends JJ Hickson, Big Z and Clevelands !st round pick to Charlotte

This gives Charlotte a young vibrant PF with losts of potential, gets rid of Diop, and gives us a Center with an $11 mil salary coming off the books. Cleveland gets a scorer and wing man who can run with King James. And they get a back up Center for Shaq. That will help Cleveland with scoring, rebounding and defense a lot and Crash gets a real shot at a ring.

Just an idea. Kinda sick over this Philly loss. Gotta do something to improve in the long run, because I dont see us getting any better this season. At all.

W_HAMILTON · Post #2 » by **W_HAMILTON** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:35 am

(1) I remember when Cleveland offering JJ Hickson for our best players was laughed at by all. Now...ugh.

(2) JJ Hickson will never be as good as Wallace.

(3) I don't care about salary cap implications. In almost 20 years of professional basketball in Charlotte, what have been our greatest FA signings? Is it still Bobby Phills and David Wesley? Cap space did nothing for the Hornets, and it's done nothing for us. The only upside is using it to trade for a good, large-contract player, but you can do that with expirings anyway.

So, we get a worse player and meaningless cap space? What is the benefit from our side again? To help Cleveland win a championship? Do we at least get some Diamonique souvenir rings?

Battery · Post #3 » by **Battery** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:00 am

I probably would make the trade. Actually I definitely make the deal because it would clear out a ton of salary and get back a decent young player at a position we need plus a pick. Cleveland says no though because Lebron is at SF and I doubt they would want to invest long term in Wallace and Diop considering Lebron might not be back.

The good thing is with Jax now aboard we can explore the idea of trading Crash.

Rich4114 · Post #4 » by **Rich4114** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:34 am

I'm on board with trading Crash, he's too offensively challenged to play SF on this team apparently. We need scoring so step 1 is trade him for a player of equal value. Expirings have little value to us because like others have mentioned, who the hell would sign with us? Could we trade him for Rudy Gay? Boozer? Remember we could move Boris to SF if need be, our team is very versatile at the SF-SF-PF spots.

What Wallace trades make us a better team now and more importantly next year and the year after.

Post #5 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:40 am

Wallace + Mohammed (or in my dreams, Diop) for Kirilenko? Realgm got the rumors churning a year ago, let's make it happen! Cheese is going to quickly replace Crash as their favorite player on the team and I think AK gives us everything we want out of Wallace. Mohammed and Kirilenko's deals expire at the same time and Utah will be over the cap regardless, so it might be an opportunity to bring in similar production at lower annual salary?

Post #6 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:42 am

Swapping Diaw with Wallace might be more palatable and might work for us too because AK is more of a natural 4 and Wallace wants to stay at the 3 spot but our current construction makes that difficult.

Fred Williamson · Post #7 » by **Fred Williamson** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:00 am

What's the point of trading Crash?

Our problem is not the SF-spot. Our problem is the black hole on the point guard position. We have 2 guys who can't get the job done and cost us so many wins. I know it, some of you guys know it, Larry knows is, hell, even Bonnell from the CO knows it.

Get rid of them or start tanking.

And no, Ak47 is not "more of a natural" PF than Crash. He's like a Diaw clone. Stuck between 3/4, but unlike Diaw, who's too slow to guard small forwads, Kirilenko can't guard big PF's, because he's scraggy like a matchstick.

SWedd523 · Post #8 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:02 am

Crash and Felton for Salmons and Kirk Hinrich? Doubt they'd do it for anything other than some immediate cap relief to go after Wade. We'd add long term salary but we seem to be in win now mode and Crash to Salmons isn't a drop off and Kirk is definitely an LB guy.

Crash and Felton for Kevin Martin and Udrih? (Jack and Felton also works) We add a proven scorer, albeit shaky defender but our offense skyrockets.

Post #9 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:07 am

Point of trading Crash is that we just added a player with a nearly identical contract. We absolutely will not tank, so the alternative is trying to swap some pieces in order to find a better fit. I like the AK deal because it gives us an out, especially if we could somehow dump Diop in, which I think is within the realm of possibility here since Sloan has a history of finding value in big, defensive centers but has more offensive post options to work with than LB has so he might somewhat justify his contract.

Post #10 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:21 am

GWallace3 wrote:And no, Ak47 is not "more of a natural" PF than Crash. He's like a Diaw clone. Stuck between 3/4, but unlike Diaw, who's too slow to guard small forwads, Kirilenko can't guard big PF's, because he's scraggy like a matchstick.

I think all of Diaw/Wallace/Kirilenko have similar affects on games, the reason to do the trade would be for financial options down the line. That said, Kirilenko and Diaw are definitely not clones. AK doesn't have the finesse that Diaw does, he gets what he does by being rangy. AK can definitely guard big players and he ways about the same as Wallace pound for pound. He's even better against SFs, so I don't know where you're getting the idea that he's too slow to guard them. Wallace could guard PFs if he wanted to, but he is afraid to because of the concussions. I don't think either team would make out like bandits, just that getting AK for Wallace or Diaw would be a big time move that is beneficial to both teams, but I don't really expect you to agree.

Post #11 » by **Walt Cronkite** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:24 am

SWEDD523 wrote:Crash and Felton for Salmons and Kirk Hinrich? Doubt they'd do it for anything other than some immediate cap relief to go after Wade. We'd add long term salary but we seem to be in win now mode and Crash to Salmons isn't a drop off and Kirk is definitely an LB guy.

Crash and Felton for Kevin Martin and Udrih? (Jack and Felton also works) We add a proven scorer, albeit shaky defender but our offense skyrockets.

Felton isn't going to drop his bird rights to play backup pg in Chicago. Maybe he would sign off on the Kings deal, but LB never would.

ohara · Post #12 » by **ohara** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:40 am

Well, since Crash and Jaxs are similar, that is why I thought of Crash, as well as Cleveland wanted Jaxs so they will likely want Crash. And money-wise, at the end of the season, we would be without Big Z's contract, Crash's contract and Nazr's contract, and have only added JJ's. If I am right, does that not then create a difference of close to $25 mil?

truthbtold21 · Post #13 » by **truthbtold21** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:39 pm

last time i checked gforce wasnt the problem,yeah lets trade for expiring contracts because free agents are just dying to come to charlotte....yeah right.We finally have two big,slashing,defensive minded wings, one of which can create his own shot the other is leading the league in rebs, but we should trade him.

ohara · Post #14 » by **ohara** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:47 pm

truthbtold21 wrote:last time i checked gforce wasnt the problem,yeah lets trade for expiring contracts because free agents are just dying to come to charlotte....yeah right.We finally have two big,slashing,defensive minded wings, one of which can create his own shot the other is leading the league in rebs, but we should trade him.

OK; you are right. Let's stay status quo. Let's see how far we can ride this 6 game losing streak. Let's leave the MJ/LB created mess alone and stay with the current gameplan and philosophy that they implement. Hey, we might win 20 games this season! Yipeee!

The best thing that could happen is David Stern step in behind the scenes and help Bob Johnson see that selling the team is the best for everyone. Get Postolos as the owner, and change everything except the city of origin. Change the FO, coach, everyone. And change the name from Bobcats to something that does not relate to any of the current regime.

Post #15 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:08 pm

Unless we got something stunning in return, I REALLY wouldn't see trading Crash as a positive move at all.

In fact, I would put it right in that bonehead thread kicking about.

truthbtold21 · Post #16 » by **truthbtold21** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:44 pm

BigSlam wrote:Unless we got something stunning in return, I REALLY wouldn't see trading Crash as a positive move at all.

In fact, I would put it right in that bonehead thread kicking about.

thank you slam someone understands what im talkin about.

truthbtold21 · Post #17 » by **truthbtold21** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:56 pm

ohara wrote:
truthbtold21 wrote:last time i checked gforce wasnt the problem,yeah lets trade for expiring contracts because free agents are just dying to come to charlotte....yeah right.We finally have two big,slashing,defensive minded wings, one of which can create his own shot the other is leading the league in rebs, but we should trade him.

OK; you are right. Let's stay status quo. Let's see how far we can ride this 6 game losing streak. Let's leave the MJ/LB created mess alone and stay with the current gameplan and philosophy that they implement. Hey, we might win 20 games this season! Yipeee!

The best thing that could happen is David Stern step in behind the scenes and help Bob Johnson see that selling the team is the best for everyone. Get Postolos as the owner, and change everything except the city of origin. Change the FO, coach, everyone. And change the name from Bobcats to something that does not relate to any of the current regime.

Oh, no you must be right...you people complain and complain and complain,its still early we just got two new players who are trynna get adjusted to their new teammates,we played the defending eastern confernce champs down to the wire,,lost by two to phila,and and our new players played them with only one day of prctice.lets give them time to gel together,and im sure they will be fine.How bout we get a pg that can actually run this offense,or better yet lets give acie law a chance to play since the other two point guards we have are not getting the jon done.

Battery · Post #18 » by **Battery** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:12 pm

truthbtold21 wrote:thank you slam someone understands what im talkin about.

I didn't see you talk about Gerald's poor outside shooting, bad passing, spotty defense, and his all too frequent disappearing acts on offense. Also, he's not exactly the brightest bulb on the court and that slows down his decision making.

I'm not saying trade Gerald, but if there is something out there that makes us a better team, then it's adios.

Bassman · Post #19 » by **Bassman** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:36 pm

No one on this team is untouchable, but a few are untradeable (is that a word??). Crash probably has the most potential value, but he is more valuable to us than what we would likely get back in a trade. I think his limitations are offset by his other production. He and Jackson will be formidable as they learn to play with each other.

I'm more a proponent of trading Diaw and a PG (Felts or DJ) for either:

A: a true starting PF and a reserve PG, or

B: a true starting PG and a reserve PF.

We probably need the PG more than the PF, but I actually prefer the starting 4 more than a starting 1. Reason? With Chandler so limited, we need a strong post player to work down low and open up the lanes and outside. With that we could try Law as the point, asking him to simply run the plays, defend, and hold down the turnovers. Perhaps he can do that better than Felts or DJ.

Post #20 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:39 pm

Battery wrote:I'm not saying trade Gerald, but if there is something out there that makes us a better team, then it's adios.

That's a given. Heck, you could have the 2nd best player in the NBA on your roster but if you have a chance to obtain the best player on the NBA at the cost of him then of course you do it.

But that isn't the tone of this thread.