john2jer wrote:I hate the whole multiple quoting thing, so I hope you can figure this out.
Please show me where I disagreed with Telfair and Jennings being in different classes as far as athleticsism. What's that called where someone posts their point and then someone comes along and tries to motify the other person's point to fit their argument? Is that "straw man"? I've never used that term, that could be the first. Hopefully someone can tell me if I used it right.
You (and the rest of the anti-Jennings crowd) have been doing this since the thread began - trying to argue about a worst case scenario rather than the direct Jennings-Telfair comparison. So while you may never have used the word, it appears you are doing your best to make full use of the concept.
And of course you never came out and said you disagreed with me. But the fact that you'd offered no rebuttal whatsoever to my point about Jennings as an athlete and continued to bring up the Jennings/Telfair worst case scenario topic makes it fairly obvious where you were headed...
But again, I compared Telfair's shooting, vision, handle, quickness to Jennings. I'm not now, nor ever saying anything that compares there athleticism. I agree that Jennings is a better athlete. Much better.
A lot of it does come down to athleticism, but Jennings' athleticism allows him to play a completely different game. Telfair might be able to dribble, but he can't drive. He's undersized and can't finish. Telfair is basically forced to be a utility PG, where Jennings is obviously a lot more than that. Jennings is already one of the most unstoppable dribble drivers in the league, and that is his main strength. You can't compare somebody like that to Telfair.
I really don't think it is fair to compare their shooting, vision, or handle - they are only similar in terms of all quick point guards being similar.
A worst case scenario for Jennings is extremely difficult to come up with, considering he's in the top 1% of point guards in terms of athleticism and almost every point guard that would even approach Jennings in this regard is already a standout NBA player. Take your pick of any non-starting leaper point guard in the NBA, and you've got a better comparison for Jennings than Telfair. But none of them are what I would consider good comparisons.
And I'm not going to just let you change the subject. There's nothing you can gain from any of this, because Telfair as a worst case scenario vs Jennings has exactly zero relevance to the topic at hand.
Jennings as the next Telfair was a bad comparison at the time, DX never even made it, and it looks even worse now.
Do have to quote this part, though. So what you're saying, and correct me if I'm wrong, is if Telfair was more athletic, he'd be a "standout NBA player"?
Maybe, but irrelevant. Very similar to saying that if Steve Nash was 7-foot 280, he'd be a more skilled post player than Shaq. Maybe if fantasy Telfair was more athletic and taller he'd become unstoppable off the dribble and develop a deadly midrange floater. Hard to say...
It still has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that reality Telfair is extremely limited as a scorer and isn't very similar at all to reality Jennings.
I don't know where I changed the subject. The subject was the Telfair/Jennings comparison. Don't think I've mentioned anything else. Take Telfair and slam him with Gerald Green's athleticism, and you have Brandon Jennings, right? Is that what you're saying?
No.
Like I said, I made the comparison based on shooting, vision, handle, lack of defense, and attitude at the time. And back on the first or second page I said I was wrong. Assuming Jennings continues as he has so far. I'm just fine with admiting when I'm wrong. So far Jennings has proven me wrong. Good for him.
I doubt Jennings keeps up this pace. I highly doubt the Bucks keep up this pace. But I think Jennings has already erased some major doubts about his game, and I was shocked/amused to see that some weren't admitting that.
