How much of a long shot is Kevin Martin

[threrf23]

So I read that John Hollinger, or someone else on espn, I can't find the lunk but I'm sure it exists, speculates that with the emergence of Tyreke Evans @ SG, the Kings might want to trade Kev Martin for expirings so they could make a splash in free agency.

Hypothetically, it makes some sense. They get rid of Kevin Martin, their payroll is @ 31 mil next offseason, so they have Evans, and other prospects like Hawes/Thompson and serviceable players like Nocioni/Udrih/Garcia under contract along with a bunch of caproom and probably a good first round pick. Hypothetically, House/Scal/Baby/picks for Kev Martin would work under the cap.

Of course, it might be desireable for them to trade Nocioni as well. Less desireable for us, but Ray for Nocioni/Martin would work.

Of course, they could just try to unload Nocioni and/or Udrih and keep Kev Martin plus a decent amount of caproom.

Ray is better than Kev Martin, but Martin is statistically a great scorer who is probably a little underrated because of playing on the Kings. He is also entering his prime rather than a few years past his prime. Hypothetically if we could land him without giving up Ray or anyone overly important, he's a sixth man of the year candidate right now (once healthy) and gives us flexibility moving forward as he would be capable of replacing Ray.

I somehow doubt that we could work out a home run deal for Kevin Martin, but I the subject is thread worthy no?

[Wolves2011]

So I read that John Hollinger, or someone else on espn, I can't find the lunk but I'm sure it exists, speculates that with the emergence of Tyreke Evans @ SG, the Kings might want to trade Kev Martin for expirings so they could make a splash in free agency.

Hypothetically, it makes some sense. They get rid of Kevin Martin, their payroll is @ 31 mil next offseason, so they have Evans, and other prospects like Hawes/Thompson and serviceable players like Nocioni/Udrih/Garcia under contract along with a bunch of caproom and probably a good first round pick. Hypothetically, House/Scal/Baby/picks for Kev Martin would work under the cap.

Of course, it might be desireable for them to trade Nocioni as well. Less desireable for us, but Ray for Nocioni/Martin would work.

Of course, they could just try to unload Nocioni and/or Udrih and keep Kev Martin plus a decent amount of caproom.

Ray is better than Kev Martin, but Martin is statistically a great scorer who is probably a little underrated because of playing on the Kings. He is also entering his prime rather than a few years past his prime. Hypothetically if we could land him without giving up Ray or anyone overly important, he's a sixth man of the year candidate right now (once healthy) and gives us flexibility moving forward as he would be capable of replacing Ray.

I somehow doubt that we could work out a home run deal for Kevin Martin, but I the subject is thread worthy no?

Kevin martin is the next generation Ray Allen. But what the Kings want is a PG if they are trading Martin to play Evans at shooting guard. So teams that can include a "top notch" PG in the package have dibs.

Lots of discussion on the wolves board about trading one of Rubio, Flynn or Sessions in package for Martin. If you read the Kings boards (here and elsewhere) they always talk about Rubio. They didn't take him because they didn't think they could sign him and they might have been right.

My guess is a package of Rubio or Flynn, expiring contracts plus a pick (wolves have 3 of them) might get it done, if the Kings decide to trade him. [They won't give their own, but could give Charlotte's or Utah's.]

I think a package like that would be more desirable than just expirings.

Note: article from September talking about Kings potential interest in Rubio.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13752

[captain green]

the only way we land martin is to trade ray, and that would be un cool of us to to do that to him.
However, nobody reminds me of ray except rip and martin, and busines is business.
It has a 21 % chance of being done only cause sacremento would do it in a heart beat to rid that contract and hope for john wall to land rite on there door step because they would sink with out three of there starters. And land one of the a sf or pf in the 2010 sweepstakes.
Doing so would also have to include two of the following kenny(GHOST)thomas, andres nocioni,beno udrih, fransico garcia. Which they would also do.
Saying that I still think our best bet is to lure a pick/s from Memphis or at least get 2 picks including ours in this years draft from some one.

[Wolves2011]

the only way we land martin is to trade ray, and that would be un cool of us to to do that to him.
However, nobody reminds me of ray except rip and martin, and busines is business.
It has a 21 % chance of being done only cause sacremento would do it in a heart beat to rid that contract and hope for john wall to land rite on there door step because they would sink with out three of there starters. And land one of the a sf or pf in the 2010 sweepstakes.
Doing so would also have to include two of the following kenny(GHOST)thomas, andres nocioni,beno udrih, fransico garcia. Which they would also do.
Saying that I still think our best bet is to lure a pick/s from Memphis or at least get 2 picks including ours in this years draft from some one.

If you were sacramento, would you just cap relief or good young players, draft picks and cap relief.

I don't think the Celtics have a serious shot at Martin.

A team like the wolves who need a wing and have both good young players, and draft picks is ideally positioned to get him. [Others with young talent like memphis, the thunder and blazers already have a young shooting guard.]

The kings already have about $10 million or so in cap space after they sign their own top pick. So if they add about $7 million or so they can get a top free agent.


also note that Martin is making About $10 million this year and Ray is making almost $19 million. So Sacramento would have give up more than just martin. the celtics would probably have to take Urdrih (4 more years) and Garcia (5 more years) along with Martin to make the money work.

[Zin5]

What is with the infatuation with the Ray Allen for Kevin Martin trade scenario? This is the 4th or 5th time it's been brought up on this board since the summer.

We aren't taking a downgrade at SG just to get someone who's younger and injury prone and the Kings are going to want young talent back. They aren't luring anyone with that capspace they're going to have.

[sully00]

I love me some Kevin Martin but part of it is the guy makes 10 mil a season why the hell is a team that has money issues going to deal a guy under 30 who scores 25 a game and makes 10 mil? He is a damn dream come true injury prone or not it isn't like he can't play SF if Evans has to guard the 2. If I am the KIngs I would be doing everything I could to get Monta Ellis out of GS and go to war.

Ellis, Evans, Martin, Thomson, Hawes would be a good a young team if a little defensively challenged.

[threrf23]

We aren't taking a downgrade at SG just to get someone who's younger and injury prone and the Kings are going to want young talent back. They aren't luring anyone with that capspace they're going to have.

Well...that maybe and it doesn't necessarily make sense that the Kings would want Ray. They are far from 'win now' mode and chances are if they want to make a splash in the FA market during one of the next two offseasons, Ray probably wouldn't be on their radar. Plus, the main reason they'd be trading Kev Martin, aside from cap considerations, would be because he played the SG position, and they are discovering that Tyreke Evans is their SG of the future. Ray's value for them would be his large expiring contract, Scal would likely mean almost the same to them if he was making 19 mil this season. Although, I guess they would view it as a positive if they felt Ray could help mentor Evans...

So one question becomes how much of a longshot might it be to land Kev Martin without trading Ray or anyone extremely important. Yes, the Kings would love to rid themselves of Garcia/Nocioni/Udrih too perhaps, but they will need some depth and can always trade one or two of those guys in separate deals.

And also, Kev Martin would fit well with our lineup and all things considered would not be a significant downgrade from current day Ray. And while he may be injury prone, Ray is arguably injury prone at this stage of his career anyway. Even if not, Kev Martin is under contract for more than this season and makes slightly more than half of what Ray is making this season. To not at least consider swapping Ray for him, IMO, would be off base.

Lastly: my bad if I missed other threads on the subject of Kev Martin around here before starting this one.

[threrf23]

I love me some Kevin Martin but part of it is the guy makes 10 mil a season why the hell is a team that has money issues going to deal a guy under 30 who scores 25 a game and makes 10 mil? He is a damn dream come true injury prone or not it isn't like he can't play SF if Evans has to guard the 2. If I am the KIngs I would be doing everything I could to get Monta Ellis out of GS and go to war.

Ellis, Evans, Martin, Thomson, Hawes would be a good a young team if a little defensively challenged.

Part of me completely agrees with the "why would they trade Kev Martin" point of view. Part of me realizes that the Kings were 1-4 with Kev Martin in the lineup this season and 4-1 with him sitting out (with Tyreke Evans starting @ SG instead of PG). And there's a potential explanation there. Kev Martin isn't the all around player you build around. He's the gifted scorer who plays an important role on a team like ours, where he is nicely complemented IMO. Of course, another explanation that of the Kings' first four losses, 3 were on the road and one was a close game vs ATL...although they did beat Utah on the road without Kevin Martin

[sully00]

Home vs Road. The KIngs played their first 3 on the road and the next 6 of 7 at home. Props to them for winning without Martin but somehow I don't think replacing him and his 30 ppg and 26 PER with Beno Udrih was the cure. On the other hand replacing Desmond Mason and Sean May with Nocioni and Hawes would seem like common freaking sense.

[SonicYouth34]

Haven't we all agreed that we want nothing to do with Sacramento's players?

[DarkAzcura]

I love Kevin Martin, but I don't want him anywhere near this team. So injury prone. Like to watch him, but I'd hate to have to always wait for him.

[sully00]

Danny Ainge was a Sacramento player as was Eddie House and Shelden Williams so no.