On Nash's potential 3rd MVP, our current record, and our D

[Orange_Blooded]

That is the worst argument ever when ppl state that they don't want hm to win because he has won it 2x already. the vote is for this year, never mind the past. If he deserves it this season and he deserved it those 2 years then his legacy is deserved.

[tsherkin]

That is the worst argument ever when ppl state that they don't want hm to win because he has won it 2x already. the vote is for this year, never mind the past. If he deserves it this season and he deserved it those 2 years then his legacy is deserved.

See, it's a problem, though.

Nash is obviously not as good as the other guys who won it that many times, so it's like tacit admission that either:

a) the voting was stupid in previous seasons and the guys that deserved more MVPs didn't get it

or

b) Nash is playing against inferior total amounts of talent and as a result isn't running into a similar number of MVP-caliber players as did players in the past

It's not really a positive thing. In any case, we're 13 games in and I don't actually disagree that Nash should be anywhere near the front of the MVP race at the moment.

[DrFunk]

I understand why some people wouldn't like the idea of putting Nash in a category as other NBA legends, but seriously until they come out and "define" what exactly the MVP award is there's going to be controversy over every decision made. To me it should be the epitome of being "indispensable" to his team while putting up superstar numbers at his position DURING the regular season. Having a winning record etc... is nice but should not necessarily be THE deciding factor since you got teams that are more stacked then others.

Think of the MVP like the movie Oscars, so what your not going to give Best picture to X director because another awesome director hasn't won it 3 times yet? Every year it's different competition, every year the movies are good or bad, if Nash can keep up with his numbers, put Phx on top of their division with a solid 2~4 seed it would be a travesty to deny him the award because he won it twice before...

[rsavaj]

We're not as good as our current 10-3 suggests, and for Nash to win MVP, Phoenix would have to do something really remarkable, like beat Cleveland's 67 mark from last season. That's not happening, and I really don't care if Nash doesn't win an MVP again.

[hitachi7]

We're not as good as our current 10-3 suggests, and for Nash to win MVP, Phoenix would have to do something really remarkable, like beat Cleveland's 67 mark from last season. That's not happening, and I really don't care if Nash doesn't win an MVP again.

best record in the league would probably get it done, unless you think another team is going to win close to 67 games

[JohnVancouver]

Nash is good, but not that good, not at that level as a player. It's not correct for him to have a similar level of recognition.

I get where you are coming from but then what about players who have won championship rings and players who haven't? For instance Scott Williams has a ring and Karl Malone does not. Does that mean SW was a better PF than Malone? Obviously not.

As much as awards and things contribute to a player's legacy, they aren't the be all and end all IMO.
If Jordan had never won a regular season or playoff MVP award, we would all still rank him as the greatest (or one of) player of all time.

If, by season's end, Nash truly is the MVP then he deserves the award based purely on that and not on legacy or anything.

Just to muddy the water, I really am split on whether magic or MJ is the greatest of all time. I'd honestly take Magic in his prime if I were starting a team, Russell, then Bird, then MJ, and I'd probably take Moses over Kareem

[JohnVancouver]

From what I've seen, to win the reg season mvp you need to greatly exceed expectations for your team due to your personal contribution, lead a number of stat categories, improve your own numbers - or decrease them - the Kobe Effect - as a signal of your devotion to team goals. It also seems that by "exceeding" expectations for your team, taking them from say 15 wins to 40 would not normally be good enough unless you also had the other qualifications.
With a team like the Suns this year, expected by consensus to be 7th seed at best, nash woudl need to score more, lead the league in assists and the team would have to come in near the very top or the West.
And even then there would be criticism if he won


read yesterday's Basketbawful 'Note:" on the subject, down the page at this link


http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/

[rsavaj]

We're not as good as our current 10-3 suggests, and for Nash to win MVP, Phoenix would have to do something really remarkable, like beat Cleveland's 67 mark from last season. That's not happening, and I really don't care if Nash doesn't win an MVP again.

best record in the league would probably get it done, unless you think another team is going to win close to 67 games

I think a few teams have the potential to go 62+, so we'd need to be ahead of the next group by 3 or 4 wins. I don't even think this team is a top three seed anyways though...

[rsavaj]

From what I've seen, to win the reg season mvp you need to greatly exceed expectations for your team due to your personal contribution, lead a number of stat categories, improve your own numbers - or decrease them - the Kobe Effect - as a signal of your devotion to team goals. It also seems that by "exceeding" expectations for your team, taking them from say 15 wins to 40 would not normally be good enough unless you also had the other qualifications.
With a team like the Suns this year, expected by consensus to be 7th seed at best, nash woudl need to score more, lead the league in assists and the team would have to come in near the very top or the West.
And even then there would be criticism if he won


read yesterday's Basketbawful 'Note:" on the subject, down the page at this link


http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/

That was spectacular. I love Bawful.

[hitachi7]

Yea, I'll have to see this team against SAS/Dallas/Denver/Portland etc before I can guess where they're going to finish. I thought we were much improved on the boards over the D'Antoni era until last night. Hopefully it was just variance, as we were running good in close games (4-1 against LAC,Philly, Toronto, HOU, NO) If I had to guess right now I'd say 4 seed, which would clearly keep Nash out of the MVP race.

I think Nash gets it over Kobe if the Suns and the Lakers hypothetically win an equal amount of games, as the Lakers supporting cast is considered 10x better (and rightly so.) Probably not the case with Lebron though, no idea on Howard.

[Go7enKs]

I like the fact that Dirk won MVP in 2007... Watching him have to go collect that award right after getting clowned by the 8TH seeded Warriors in the playoffs first round biggest postseason upset in NBA history was mega-awesomeness, just amplied the comedy of epic failness choke and joke job of the 06-07 Mavs.

As much as I hate the Mavs we all have to admit that the 06 Finals were just a shameful referee riggapalooza.