Trade Idea Thread

[Forte IV]

This is from espn rumors:

Justin Rogers of MLive.com was driving home Wednesday night listening to a talk show discuss the possibility of trading Piston forward Tayshaun Prince to the Los Angeles Clippers for Central Michigan alum Chris Kaman. After looking at all angles, Rogers concludes the scenario would not be ideal for both teams.

Rogers writes: "A concept often neglected in hypothetical trade talk is the logic of the trade for the other team. Most Pistons fans agree that the team is in need of a post scorer, but do the Clippers have a need for a small forward with Prince's skill set, and do they have a plan in place to absorb the loss of Kaman? ... While Prince would add some veteran stability to the position, especially on the defensive end, it's hard to imagine the Clippers long-term plan is to continue bringing Al Thornton off the bench ... When No. 1 overall pick Blake Griffin returns from injury, the Los Angeles front court will be crowded with physical front court players. Kaman being the odd man out isn't out of the question, but the player more likely to lose playing time to Griffin is Marcus Camby. ... The conclusion that we can reach is the trade is plausible, but not necessarily ideal for either squad. The idea that the trade would be a double homecoming for Kaman and Prince make it even more interesting to talk about."

[Chris Hansen]

Is Kaman available?

[Det the Threat]

Is Kaman available?

Doubt it, with the way he's playing right now.

Though, everyone could be available, if the price is right, but it would've to be something special to get Kaman right now.

[donemilio21]

I say NO to trade anybody at this point, unless we are getting a star. If some teams suck in the near future and might wanna talk a big name trade then maybe after all star break.
I dont think we should trade anybody, not even Thornton.
Kaman? the way he plays right now NO WAY! but then again its Kaman

[heathmalc]

Here is a scenario that I came up with that would seem to make sense (assuming that the Clippers are still willing to trade Kaman).

To Cavaliers:
Chris Kaman
Stephen Jackson
Acie Law


To Goldenstate:
Delonte West
Marty Collins
2010 2nd round pick from Clippers
3 Million Cash from Cavaliers


To Clippers:
Zydrunas Illgauskas
Darnell Jackson
2010 1st round pick & 2012 1st round pick (top 10 protected) from Cavaliers


Why each team may do this trade:



Cavaliers:
The Cavaliers add another big who can shoot the ball very well, and also plays defense and rebounds. Kaman not only helps this year, but becomes the Cavaliers' Big man for the foreseeable future. Stephen Jackson adds what the Cavaliers have missed since Delonte has been gone, and although he is starting to get older, and has 3 more years (after this one) on his contract, he should remain valuable to the Cavs throughout the term of the contract, although he would likely move to the bench by next season; if not right from the start. Acie Law adds the an extra pg, who is young and is a short-term contract.

Clippers:
The Clippers add 11 million to their cap for next summer, and immediately become a big player for possible free-agents. They have a lot of young talent, and they have Baron....plus they are in California... These three things make them a possibility for any FA who is considering switching teams.

The Warriors
GoldenState gets more for Jackson than they probably could have hoped for. West is a low risk/high reward player, who if he gets back to playing, would be a steal....plus the 3 million they get from the Cavaliers virtually pays for the rest of his season. Marty Collins is an expiring contract, thus the Warriors essentially add 5 million to next summer's cap space, grab 2010's 2nd round pick from the Clippers, which should be pretty high, they get rid of SJax and his bloated contract, and they get a free shot at Delonte West.

[RaptorsBoy]

Calderon is much more efficient on the offensive end compared to Baron who is a volume shooter. For a team with young studs like Gordon, Thornton and Griffin they would benefit from a more unselfish PG considering that they will need more touches. Since Baron is better on the defensive end that allows the Raps to worry less about the PG on the opposition. Jose is better for the development of the Clippers players and would get along with Dunleavy more than Baron because Jose is willing to work within a system. Contract wise Baron has a larger contract which is why the Clippers would be forced to take Banks contract. LA is frustrated at times with Baron as Toronto is with Jose so maybe a change of system is exactly what these two PGs need.

[SportsFan215]

I saw this idea from a Pistons fan in their forum, and I would do this trade too.

Baron/Kaman for Prince/Stuckey/Maxiell/K. Brown

I would even add a Thornton for their '10 First (Lottery Protected) to that deal.

That would make our lineup look like this, and it would give us about $7 million more cap space this offseason.

Stuckey/Bassy/Collins
EJ/R. Davis/Rush
Prince/Butler/Novak
Griffin/Smith/Maxiell
Camby/DJ/Skinner

[mike3]

Id keep Baron and Kaman, i like how both play when there on there game
they just need to be on there game all the time lol

[donemilio21]

I really want Kaman to stay.
Hw about Baron+Thornton+future 1st round pick for Chris Paul?

[Det the Threat]

Hw about Baron+Thornton+future 1st round pick for Chris Paul?

Trading Chris Paul = Rebuilding

Baron Davis and his huge contract, a volume scorer at the 3 spot and a future first(that wouldn't be all that good with Paul, Gordon, Griffin and Kaman around) won't get it done.

I mean, even the Grizzlies got a solid prospect in Marc Gasol, imediate cap relief and two first round picks in a trade for Pau Gasol, that almost everyone talked up to be absolutely in favour of the Lakers.


@RaptorsBoy:
No matter how you spin it, Calderon just does not have it and isn't a guy that makes your team win games. Yeah, he's got nice stats, but he won't guide you to W's and that's what a good pg should do for you.

So even if Baron's play hasn't been great and his contract isn't good as well, i'd rather take a shot with Davis or trade him for some expiring crap player, instead of adding Calderon and his contract. He won't make us better and therefore we don't need him.

[partnerfusion]

How about the following:

Camby to the Jazz

R.Brewer & M. Harpring to the Clippers
(both are expiring contracts / Harpring is finished but Brewer could play the 2 or 3 spot for you)

[loflin3hree5ive]

How about the following:

Camby to the Jazz

R.Brewer & M. Harpring to the Clippers
(both are expiring contracts / Harpring is finished but Brewer could play the 2 or 3 spot for you)

Eh.. another wing player who can't shoot. I like Brewer but Clips are better off dealing him for picks/prospects if they fall out of it by mid-January or a better fit if they're going to try to compete.

[The Magic Man]

How about this Blockbuster?

Kaman,Griffin,1rd for Dwight Howard

[donemilio21]

How about this Blockbuster?

Kaman,Griffin,1rd for Dwight Howard

Clippers would prefer to see how Griffin will turn out first. So would Magic. And a player like Dwight Howard is so rare, that you won't even consider trading him until he is 29-30.

[jozef]

Trade ID #5292071

Okur, Brewer and NY pick (#3) for Kaman and Clippers pick (#9)


The Jazz get classic center, the Clippers get more talent.

[SportsFan215]

Trade ID #5292071

Okur, Brewer and NY pick (#3) for Kaman and Clippers pick (#9)


The Jazz get classic center, the Clippers get more talent.

Thats making a lot of assumptions about the two picks. I would do that if it gets us John Wall, otherwise I would probably pass at this point.

[SportsFan215]

After a lot of thought about what the Clippers could do to improve, I came up with these two deals, that have been pretty well received from fans of the others teams involved:

Trade 1:
Kaman/Telfair for Prince/Stuckey

Kaman's value is at its highest right now, and we could get a legit starting SF and PG (who is only 23 and is a beast by the way) for him.


Trade 2:
Clippers Get: Blake/Outlaw/Bayless/Amir/Pendergraph
Clippers Give: Baron/Thornton/C. Smith

Raptors Get: Baron/Thornton
Raptors Give: Calderon/Amir

Blazers Get: Calderon/C. Smith
Blazers Give: Blake/Outlaw/Bayless/Pendergraph

This deal allows us to get rid of Baron's contract and we gain another $12 million in cap space this summer and who knows what could happen with that.


Waive Rush (sad situation), Collins (no real spot on the team)

Stuckey/Blake/Bayless
Gordon/Butler/R. Davis
Prince/Novak/Outlaw
Griffin/Amir/Pendergraph
Camby/Jordan/Skinner

Now the only problem I can see is all of the injuries that players have, including Prince and Outlaw, in addition to Gordon and Griffin. The way I see it is that Gordon should be back soon, and Griffin not too long after that. Outlaw is out for a while, so he is basically just an expiring contract and the reason I have him behind Novak on the depth chart. Meanwhile, Butler could start at SF, like he has and Ricky Davis and Bayless could see time backing up Gordon at SG.

[BiGG RaBB]

Houston Trades:
SF: Tracy McGrady

Houston Receives:
SG: Rip Hamilton, C: Kwame Brown, PF: Jason Maxiell

Why for Houston:
Rip is durable 2-guard who will perform his job for the duration of his contract, has championship, and leadership abilites. Kwame is a true C which they lack, he expires after the season, max is a high energy Hustle guy for Depth Purposes.

Houston's Roster:
C: Kwame/Landry/Anderson
PF: Scola/Max/Landry/Cook
SF: Ariza/Battier/Budinger
SG: Rip/Battier/Taylor
PF: Brooks/Lowry/Taylor


Clippers Trade:
C: Chris Kaman, C: Marcus Camby, SF: Rasual Butler

Clippers Receive:
SF: Tracy McGrady

Why for Clippers:
This is all about balancing the team better. T-Mac can be a bit injury prone, but let's be honest so is Kaman. T-Mac is the stud scoring 3 that would fit nicely on this team. If it don't work out, then o well, you get a huge expiring contract to be players in 2010 FA. Similar to the Detroit/AI Expierence. Also there's a wink, wink deal heal where Detroit would be releasing Camby so he could rejoin the Clipse.

Clippers Roster:
C: Camby/Skinner/Novak
PF: Griffin/Thornton/Novak
SF: T-Mac/Thornton/Smith
SG: Gordon/Davis/Rush
PF: Davis/Telfair/Taylor


Detroit Trades:
SG: Rip Hamilton, C: Kwame Brown, PF: Jason Maxiell

Detroit Receives:
C: Chris Kaman, C: Marcus Camby, SF: Rasual Butler

Why for Detroit:
Detroit has a logjam at the 2 with Rip, and Gordon. it would be all good if they weren't both being payed $10mil+ per. Going forward this team needs to have a Scoring Big Man, and Kaman fits the bill. With Big Ben back in old form, theres really no need for Camby, he's just there to match salaries, will be released so he can rejoin the Clips.

Detroit's Roster:
C: Kaman/Wallace/Wilcox
PF: CV/Jerebko/Wallace
SF: Prince/Daye/Jerebko/Summers
SG: Gordon/Stuckey/Daye
PF: Stuckey/Bynum/Atkins


I think the value's pretty equal across the board. Houston may be reluctant to take on the extra salary, Clips might not be interested in addin a scorer like T-mac cuz he takes shots from the younger guys there tryna develop. Detroit comes out the best in my opinion becuz.

[SportsFan215]

^No way do the Clippers even think about that deal.

[jgustav1]

Houston Trades:
Clippers Trade:
C: Chris Kaman, C: Marcus Camby, SF: Rasual Butler

Clippers Receive:
SF: Tracy McGrady

Why for Clippers:
This is all about balancing the team better. T-Mac can be a bit injury prone, but let's be honest so is Kaman. T-Mac is the stud scoring 3 that would fit nicely on this team. If it don't work out, then o well, you get a huge expiring contract to be players in 2010 FA. Similar to the Detroit/AI Expierence. Also there's a wink, wink deal heal where Detroit would be releasing Camby so he could rejoin the Clipse.

Clippers Roster:
C: Camby/Skinner/Novak
PF: Griffin/Thornton/Novak
SF: T-Mac/Thornton/Smith
SG: Gordon/Davis/Rush
PF: Davis/Telfair/Taylor

Terrible trade for LAC that wouldn't be considered. If the Clippers are interested in taking a chance on McGrady, they can do so in the offseason without trading anyone, offering McGrady a deal with a huge salary cut under the MLE.