Even Barbosa knows Duhhhtoni was a fraud

MaryvalesFinest · Post #1 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:45 pm

From the Suns twitter

http://twitter.com/phoenixsuns

LB on the biggest difference between D'Antoni and Gentry: "Gentry works a lot on defense. D'Antoni never worked on the defense."

I think this sums up the Duhtoni era...

Thoughts?

harshey1388 · Post #2 » by **harshey1388** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:50 pm

well i think he was speaking on Mike Dantoni not Dan Dantoni who is basically barbosa's adopted father as you say. but its true we all saw it but the players we had during that time had a better chance to be a defensive team he just never preached it but we were still pretty good on D what like 13-15 in the league? thats still bad but not TOO bad.

realsunsfan · Post #3 » by **realsunsfan** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:54 pm

MaryvalesFinest wrote:From the Suns twitter

http://twitter.com/phoenixsuns

LB on the biggest difference between D'Antoni and Gentry: "Gentry works a lot on defense. D'Antoni never worked on the defense."

I wonder how that question came up

Anyway I'm not surprised, and this is comming from Barbosa who basically is Duhhtoni's adopted son and teachers pet when he was here. I thought before Gentry wasn't much better than Duhhtoni, I knew he was a little bit but after reading this and watching the first 12 games into the season he does have this team playing hard and solid defense. I just wonder what caused Barbosa to say this though

Maybe because he was asked that question?

MaryvalesFinest · Post #4 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:58 pm

No not the question, but the way he answered it was hilarious :lol:

Amen316 · Post #5 » by **Amen316** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:21 pm

Look Maryvale seriously I have no idea why I ever click on your bashing links. Mike D was a great coach that turned around a team that others had no idea how to. He made basketball fun again in the Phoenix Area.
There is no DUH to people that accomplish things with their lives. I am asking you as a SUNS fan to please figure out a way to change your historical and current views of the Suns players. You will honestly enjoy live so much more because those guys are simply out there for our entertainment.

Itmotep · Post #6 » by **Itmotep** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:20 pm

I agree with above poster. I laugh at the people who hate D'Antoni now. But its funny how they loved him when we were winning 60+ games. Get over yourselves. He was a great coach that like the above poster said changed things for the better and really gave our team a certain swagger.

BurningHeart · Post #7 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:01 am

You're really annoying.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #8 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:44 am

BurningHeart wrote:You're really annoying.

Fine by me, guess that happens when you speak the truth but hey don't take my opinion for it. A prominent Suns player and probably the guy that looked up most to Duhtoni is even saying it. I just thought it would be funny to see how the Duhtoni apologists tried to spin this one saying he does teach defense or something :lol:

BurningHeart · Post #9 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:51 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:You're really annoying.

Fine by me, guess that happens when you speak the truth but hey don't take my opinion for it. A prominent Suns player and probably the guy that looked up most to Duhtoni is even saying it. I just thought it would be funny to see how the Duhtoni apologists tried to spin this one saying he does teach defense or something

Who the hell are you to declare truth? Did you know that the 2005-2006 Suns were a top 10 defense before Kurt Thomas went down? Stop spewing crap out of your dumbass, please.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #10 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:04 am

BurningHeart wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:You're really annoying.

Fine by me, guess that happens when you speak the truth but hey don't take my opinion for it. A prominent Suns player and probably the guy that looked up most to Duhtoni is even saying it. I just thought it would be funny to see how the Duhtoni apologists tried to spin this one saying he does teach defense or something

Who the hell are you to declare truth? Did you know that the 2005-2006 Suns were a top 10 defense before Kurt Thomas went down? Stop spewing crap out of your dumbass, please.

Like I said before, you don't have to take my word for a it. A Suns player is saying the same thing I said and have always said, what you're going to say Barbosa's lying? :lol:

I don't know what their ranking was in 05-06 but as you say if they were a solid defensive team it wasn't because of him but because of the individual players. I'm pretty sure there are past articles saying he never taught defense in practice. Look though, Barbosa is saying he didn't teach defense, Amare said it last year, Kerr said he wanted him to teach defense and Suns fans with enough logic can see through it also...

pepperdinedevil · Post #11 » by **pepperdinedevil** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:37 am

I'd just like to know why you still constantly bring up D'Antoni. And I mean that seriously. I don't get the obsession as he hasn't been here for awhile now. Get over it; or at least stop bringing it up 5 times a week. It's played out and old and has just about no relevance to anything involving the Suns at this point. We run a similar style to his with a little more defensive focus. Got it, good, great. Thanks. Next topic.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #12 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:48 am

pepperdinedevil wrote:I'd just like to know why you still constantly bring up D'Antoni. And I mean that seriously. I don't get the obsession as he hasn't been here for awhile now. Get over it; or at least stop bringing it up 5 times a week. It's played out and old and has just about no relevance to anything involving the Suns at this point. We run a similar style to his with a little more defensive focus. Got it, good, great. Thanks. Next topic.

Maybe because it was on the Suns twitter? Just sharing it for people who haven't seen it, no need to get all upset.

dantian · Post #13 » by **dantian** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:59 am

It hurts to envision what Amare could have become under Pop or Sloan instead of DA.

BurningHeart · Post #14 » by **BurningHeart** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:08 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:
I don't know what their ranking was in 05-06 but as you say if they were a solid defensive team it wasn't because of him but because of the individual players. I'm pretty sure there are past articles saying he never taught defense in practice. Look though, Barbosa is saying he didn't teach defense, Amare said it last year, Kerr said he wanted him to teach defense and Suns fans with enough logic can see through it also...

Uh, if you're proclaiming it as "truth", then wouldn't I HAVE to listen to you? That's usually how it works.

Of course you don't know. And a team doesnt play top 10 D if its "just players". If you know a freakin' shred about anything, you'd know that our problem under D'Antoni teams had always been rebounding more than defense itself. Of course, you don't realize it.

But seriously, why do you keep bringing up D'Antoni? Can you get the eff off it already? Not surprisingly, you bring up D'Antoni just like your boy Obama brings up Bush in the blame game constantly. Always a scapegoat, never owning up. Get the eff over it already!

Where the hell is the ignore function on this damn board? I've seriously had freakin' enough of you already, and I'm starting to not be shy about it.

MaryvalesFinest · Post #15 » by **MaryvalesFinest** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:03 pm

BurningHeart wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:
I don't know what their ranking was in 05-06 but as you say if they were a solid defensive team it wasn't because of him but because of the individual players. I'm pretty sure there are past articles saying he never taught defense in practice. Look though, Barbosa is saying he didn't teach defense, Amare said it last year, Kerr said he wanted him to teach defense and Suns fans with enough logic can see through it also...

Uh, if you're proclaiming it as "truth", then wouldn't I HAVE to listen to you? That's usually how it works.

Of course you don't know. And a team doesnt play top 10 D if its "just players". If you know a freakin' shred about anything, you'd know that our problem under D'Antoni teams had always been rebounding more than defense itself. Of course, you don't realize it.

But seriously, why do you keep bringing up D'Antoni? Can you get the eff off it already? Not surprisingly, you bring up D'Antoni just like your boy Obama brings up Bush in the blame game constantly. Always a scapegoat, never owning up. Get the eff over it already!

Where the hell is the ignore function on this damn board? I've seriously had freakin' enough of you already, and I'm starting to not be shy about it.

Dude why are you trying to make it personal? By the way, I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for Nader. It is clear though you know as much about politics as you do basketball. See I can make it personal also...

Seriously though, this was right on the Suns twitter this isn't some random thing I just brought up. Also as said before, Suns players are saying what I said all along, I'm not trying to prove a point or anything, just wanted to show everyone what a Suns player thinks of his former coach.

Sorry if I'm not a homer like yourself that thinks everything related to the Suns is positive, I'm just a realistic Suns fan. Yeah though there was no need to turn this into a personal attack, if you don't agree say so in a polite way, that's what I do when I disagree with something or someone.

toucansma · Post #16 » by **toucansma** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:17 pm

Then why did you say Duhhhtoni and fraud if you were bringing up twitter. Nothing on there said that.

BurningHeart · Post #17 » by **BurningHeart** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:13 am

MaryvalesFinest wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:
MaryvalesFinest wrote:
I don't know what their ranking was in 05-06 but as you say if they were a solid defensive team it wasn't because of him but because of the individual players. I'm pretty sure there are past articles saying he never taught defense in practice. Look though, Barbosa is saying he didn't teach defense, Amare said it last year, Kerr said he wanted him to teach defense and Suns fans with enough logic can see through it also...

Uh, if you're proclaiming it as "truth", then wouldn't I HAVE to listen to you? That's usually how it works.

Of course you don't know. And a team doesnt play top 10 D if its "just players". If you know a freakin' shred about anything, you'd know that our problem under D'Antoni teams had always been rebounding more than defense itself. Of course, you don't realize it.

But seriously, why do you keep bringing up D'Antoni? Can you get the eff off it already? Not surprisingly, you bring up D'Antoni just like your boy Obama brings up Bush in the blame game constantly. Always a scapegoat, never owning up. Get the eff over it already!

Where the hell is the ignore function on this damn board? I've seriously had freakin' enough of you already, and I'm starting to not be shy about it.

Dude why are you trying to make it personal? By the way, I didn't vote for Obama, I voted for Nader. It is clear though you know as much about politics as you do basketball. See I can make it personal also...

Seriously though, this was right on the Suns twitter this isn't some random thing I just brought up. Also as said before, Suns players are saying what I said all along, I'm not trying to prove a point or anything, just wanted to show everyone what a Suns player thinks of his former coach.

Sorry if I'm not a homer like yourself that thinks everything related to the Suns is positive, I'm just a realistic Suns fan. Yeah though there was no need to turn this into a personal attack, if you don't agree say so in a polite way, that's what I do when I disagree with something or someone.

Why am I trying to make it personal? Because it is personal. You're ridiculous and destroying mine and others' experience on this board. It's awful, and you know it. And BS about it being completely innocent. You have a CLEAR agenda, as your "duhhhtoni" and all your other ridiculous comments suggest. Stop it with that nonsense.

And homer? Yeah, right. I'm pretty much the first guy out there criticizing this team. If you don't believe that, go and look at my post history.

This nonsense is really getting ridiculous.

Christine-In-AZ · Post #18 » by **Christine-In-AZ** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:16 am

It's one sentence from LB without any context whatsoever.

You're just bringing the board news? But you totally slam Mike D by playing with his name and calling him a "fraud" ...just bringing LB's quote, uh huh, yep.

A fraud? Really? D'Antoni did a great job while he was here. You're an ingrate.

Spartan13 · Post #19 » by **Spartan13** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:21 am

I don't know if I would discredit Dantoni as much as you, but Steve Nash can make anyone look good, even coaches.

Nash should get royalty checks for all the contracts these former Suns are getting.

Post #20 » by **rsavaj** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:23 pm

Our main problem w/ D'Antoni was generally rebounding, not defense. Our defense ranked from awesome to average to below average with him, but never terrible. Our rebounding however was complete crap, and that influenced our defensive numbers b/c of 2nd chance points. Our defensive field goal % was great; problem was that we would always give the other team 3 or 4 shots to get some points.