MIN - WAS

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MIN GETS: Javale McGee + Nick Young + Mike Miller + Mike James (cut)

WAS GETS: $7.3 mil in savings + Gomes + Wilkins + OPec + Cardinal

Mike Miller's injured for 4-5 weeks, and WAS has spent well over the lux to be a "win-now" team. They are getting healthier, but are still a ghastly 3-9. If they're still committed to trying to drive this expensive team to the play-offs, this gives them some talent for their youth, and saves them a decent amount of money. MIN pays $3.6 mil for the prospects and sacrifices a little talent. I suppose Mike Miller may get healthy and be worth trading by the Feb. 19th trade deadline after a decent start for the Wizards.

Personally, I like these prospects better than most of you may. I think Nick Young has the chance to be a good player, if he can get past his issues. McGee was the only player to put up better WP/40 scores than Love his rookie year. He looks worse now, but maybe minutes can help him, if we can find them for him.

[cpfsf]

Low risk high reward trade for Minnesota, but I think other teams could offer more.

[B Calrissian]

I like Young and McGee, but I would hate to see Miller back on the team.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Why would Wizards do it? Don't be a homer.

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Why would Wizards do it? Don't be a homer.

Financial savings, plus more production, particularly with Mike Miller injured,

[NewWolvesOrder]

Why would Wizards do it? Don't be a homer.

Financial savings, plus more production, particularly with Mike Miller injured,

Here's a trade for you: Miller, James for L.Hughes, Wizards save 5.3 mil. and keep their prospects. Mcgee is a very talented young C, it's rediculous to trade him just to save some money.

[shrink]

Why would Wizards do it? Don't be a homer.

Financial savings, plus more production, particularly with Mike Miller injured,

Here's a trade for you: Miller, James for L.Hughes, Wizards save 5.3 mil. and keep their prospects. Mcgee is a very talented young C, it's rediculous to trade him just to save some money.

You realize that NYK is over the lux too, so if you save the wizards $5.3 mil, you just added $5.3 mil to the Knicks payroll? They're going to take on the injured Mike Miller, and add $5.3 mil for the privilege?

[Worm Guts]

I don't like it for either side. For the Wolves it takes up cap space that I'd rather use on an established player. McGee hasn't done anything.

[NewWolvesOrder]

You realize that NYK is over the lux too, so if you save the wizards $5.3 mil, you just added $5.3 mil to the Knicks payroll? They're going to take on the injured Mike Miller, and add $5.3 mil for the privilege?

Dude, it doesn't change anything as far as your trade goes. Let's say Mcgee grows into a player similar to Andrew Bynum, not guaranteed, but not a big stretch of imagination either. What would Grunfield say to his owner? " But... but I saved 7 million on that deal boss!"
As far as my deal goes, there can be similar trades with other teams that wizards can save a few mil without trading a prospect of Mcgee caliber.

[shrink]

You realize that NYK is over the lux too, so if you save the wizards $5.3 mil, you just added $5.3 mil to the Knicks payroll? They're going to take on the injured Mike Miller, and add $5.3 mil for the privilege?

Dude, it doesn't change anything as far as your trade goes. Let's say Mcgee grows into a player similar to Andrew Bynum, not guaranteed, but not a big stretch of imagination either. What would Grunfield say to his owner? " But... but I saved 7 million on that deal boss!"
As far as my deal goes, there can be similar trades with other teams that wizards can save a few mil without trading a prospect of Mcgee caliber.

Prove it. Show me a trade without a McGee-level prospect (we may differ on his value here) that another team will accept, that will save the Wizards $7 mil.

[Narf]

I love the idea Shrink, but Washington says no.
We would have to add more value here.

[NewWolvesOrder]

You realize that NYK is over the lux too, so if you save the wizards $5.3 mil, you just added $5.3 mil to the Knicks payroll? They're going to take on the injured Mike Miller, and add $5.3 mil for the privilege?

Dude, it doesn't change anything as far as your trade goes. Let's say Mcgee grows into a player similar to Andrew Bynum, not guaranteed, but not a big stretch of imagination either. What would Grunfield say to his owner? " But... but I saved 7 million on that deal boss!"
As far as my deal goes, there can be similar trades with other teams that wizards can save a few mil without trading a prospect of Mcgee caliber.

Prove it. Show me a trade without a McGee-level prospect (we may differ on his value here) that another team will accept, that will save the Wizards $7 mil.

hahaha, I don't have to prove anything to you, I would never trade Mcgee to save 7 mil short term, cause it may come to bite my ass, if i need to save a few million i can trade low key prospects like Crittenton, Young, Foye for a TE or find a taker for Miller for lesser expiring.

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hahaha, I don't have to prove anything to you, I would never trade Mcgee to save 7 mil short term, cause it may come to bite my ass, if i need to save a few million i can trade low key prospects like Crittenton, Young, Foye for a TE or find a taker for Miller for lesser expiring.

OK, I just think you're blowing hot air, thinking you can get $7 mil in savings with assets like that.

I think part of the difference is that we project McGee so differently. Yes, he has potential, but he's regressed badly this year, and he was a project last year. I also think with Blatche playing so well, and McGee so poorly, a win-now WAS would struggle to develop him.

Regardless, I think you should respect the $7 million dollars. Pollin went over the lux this season because he thought he had a potential chance at a ring, but in his entire history, he has never gone even $1 mil over the lux. That's not the bio of a guy that just is going to ignore $7 million dollars. Moreover, I think this deal gives WAS a chance to stay in the play-offs race, while in 4-5 weeks, Mike Miller's return could be to a team that has lost too many games to be a contender. That's sunk money, and some sunk lux tax, and I think this deal keeps them competitive while hedging their bets financially.

[NewWolvesOrder]

Mcgee is a prospect that needs to develop his game. Wizards are trying to win now, Flip just doesn't play him, Mcgee didn't regress. Last year Haywood was out, so Mcgee saw more court time. And as I said there are other smaller deals that can save Pollin money. And players you're offering to Wizards don't really improve them, Opech & Card will see no PT, Wilkins=Stevenson, Gomes>Young but not equel to Miller.

[Narf]

Pavlovic would be a reasonable upgrade off the bench for the Wiz, and he'd save them a chunk of change next year as well. Not sure what else it would take. I like but don't love McGee as a center prospect, the kids got some skills.