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Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#1 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:50 pm

Would you guys consider this trade with the Knicks?

Jeffries - 6.5 Mill / 2 Years (will be a valuable expiring this summer)
Chandler - 1.2 Mill / 2 Years (you guys could use some wing help asap)
Knicks 2nd Round Pick (top 2nd round picks have a lot of value)
3 Million (for your trouble)

for

Blount - 8 Mill / Expiring

Would you consider this trade or a slight variation of it?
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#2 » by shrink » Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:58 pm

You're talking to the wrong team.

Every dollar that MIN adds in 2010 salary is one less dollar they'd have available under the salary cap this summer, to use on free agents or to trade.

Personally, I think NYK has a chance to get two of the elite free agents, but only if they can bring in two. They need to be able to tell each other they'd be coming in. A single free agent won't want to come and face NYK media when they alone can't turn this team around. So I think its imperative that NYK move Jeffries or Curry. However, I highly doubt you're going to find a team willing to take on either for these packages with 2010 space so valuable to free agent teams andthose trying to stay below a falling lux. Perhaps another team would listen if you upped your incentive, but Wilson Chandler + $3 mil cash and a 2nd isn't going to get anyone excited.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#3 » by Narf » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:12 pm

No, we need cap space as much as you do. If you want to make things interesting find a deal with Eddie Curry and Dano and we'll talk.
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Post#4 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:17 pm

Narf wrote:No, we need cap space as much as you do. If you want to make things interesting find a deal with Eddie Curry and Dano and we'll talk.


What do you guys care about cap space so much? You should be building from the draft...

Love + Flynn + Rubio + (Wall or Favors) will be a nice core for you guys.

Better to use that cap space for draft picks or good players on their rookie contracts (which is exactly what this proposal is).

I hope you guys don't think a Max Contract player is going to go play for the Wolves??
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#5 » by Basti » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:19 pm

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Narf wrote:No, we need cap space as much as you do. If you want to make things interesting find a deal with Eddie Curry and Dano and we'll talk.


What do you guys care about cap space so much? You should be building from the draft...


you should do it too. oh wait...
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#6 » by B Calrissian » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:19 pm

sfernald wrote:I hope you guys don't think a Max Contract player is going to go play for the Wolves??


We don't think that. We also don't think Chandler is anywhere near worth taking on JJs salary.

Like Narf said, Dano is worth it. Chandler is not.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#7 » by Esohny » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:21 pm

"You can't get a free agent to sign (in my opinion), so I think it makes sense that you have to take a bunch of trash from my team for no incentive"
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#8 » by B Calrissian » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:23 pm

Esohny wrote:"You can't get a free agent to sign (in my opinion), so I think it makes sense that you have to take a bunch of trash from my team for no incentive"


In other words "potential trade".
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#9 » by Narf » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:25 pm

sfernald wrote:
Narf wrote:No, we need cap space as much as you do. If you want to make things interesting find a deal with Eddie Curry and Dano and we'll talk.


What do you guys care about cap space so much? You should be building from the draft...

Love + Flynn + Rubio + (Wall or Favors) will be a nice core for you guys.

Better to use that cap space for draft picks or good players on their rookie contracts (which is exactly what this proposal is).

I hope you guys don't think a Max Contract player is going to go play for the Wolves??

That's why we have up to 3 first round picks next year and 10+ mil in cap space. Not to mention Rubio overseas.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#10 » by shrink » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:47 pm

sfernald wrote: Better to use that cap space for draft picks or good players on their rookie contracts (which is exactly what this proposal is).

I hope you guys don't think a Max Contract player is going to go play for the Wolves??


Why did I expect this response?

Oh yeah, its what every knick poster writes when his one-sided trade is shot down.

I wrote you a polite answer, and even specifically pointed out that a team can TRADE CAP SPACE.

MIN's not going to give you cap space for bad assets, just because you don't want to acknowledge its usefulness.

Now when can we expect six other knicks fans to post something just like this, and then KingofKingz to show up and demand an apology while completely ignoring Knicks posts?
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Post#11 » by B Calrissian » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:52 pm

Shrink, he posted the same trade on the Knicks board and they are refering to him as a Wolves fan. So I am guessing they will be flooding this thread soon.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#12 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:33 pm

B Calrissian wrote:Shrink, he posted the same trade on the Knicks board and they are refering to him as a Wolves fan. So I am guessing they will be flooding this thread soon.


Yes, I'm not a fan of the Knicks. I tried to create a trade that was fair for both parties. The Knicks fans don't like the trade either, so apparently it is a one-sided trade to both parties...haha.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#13 » by Esohny » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:42 pm

sfernald wrote:
B Calrissian wrote:Shrink, he posted the same trade on the Knicks board and they are refering to him as a Wolves fan. So I am guessing they will be flooding this thread soon.


Yes, I'm not a fan of the Knicks. I tried to create a trade that was fair for both parties. The Knicks fans don't like the trade either, so apparently it is a one-sided trade to both parties...haha.


Yes, well, a number of knicks posters overrate Chandler beyond comprehension because he's on their team. As an "impartial" party, what is your excuse for being clueless?
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#14 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:55 pm

Esohny wrote:
sfernald wrote:
B Calrissian wrote:Shrink, he posted the same trade on the Knicks board and they are refering to him as a Wolves fan. So I am guessing they will be flooding this thread soon.


Yes, I'm not a fan of the Knicks. I tried to create a trade that was fair for both parties. The Knicks fans don't like the trade either, so apparently it is a one-sided trade to both parties...haha.


Yes, well, a number of knicks posters overrate Chandler beyond comprehension because he's on their team. As an "impartial" party, what is your excuse for being clueless?


Because

#1) Whatever you think of Chandler, he is probably an upgrade on what you currently have, or another chip you can move if you like.

#2) You also get a high 2nd - Nice for stashing Euro players.

#3) You get 3 million which you can use to buy another low 1st pick like the lakers pick (in a great draft next year)

#4) Jeffries immediately becomes a valuable expiring which might have value and be tradable as soon as late summer because the teams that didn't get the player they want in 2009 will want to re-up to the 2010 free agency.

#5) You guys aren't on a timeline where you need to win. The Knicks kind of are. I see you guys at the beginning of a 3 year build up. The Knicks need to have a competitive team next year. You are sacrificing a little bit of time for extra assets with this trade.

That's why I thought it might be fair to you guys.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#15 » by casey » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:09 am

sfernald wrote:That's why I thought it might be fair to you guys.

Well, you're wrong.
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Post#16 » by slinky » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:38 am

sfernald wrote:Because

#1) Whatever you think of Chandler, he is probably an upgrade on what you currently have, or another chip you can move if you like.

#2) You also get a high 2nd - Nice for stashing Euro players.

#3) You get 3 million which you can use to buy another low 1st pick like the lakers pick (in a great draft next year)

#4) Jeffries immediately becomes a valuable expiring which might have value and be tradable as soon as late summer because the teams that didn't get the player they want in 2009 will want to re-up to the 2010 free agency.

#5) You guys aren't on a timeline where you need to win. The Knicks kind of are. I see you guys at the beginning of a 3 year build up. The Knicks need to have a competitive team next year. You are sacrificing a little bit of time for extra assets with this trade.

That's why I thought it might be fair to you guys.



1) There are a lot of players that are an upgrade to what we currently have, that doesnt mean we need to take on extra money just to obtain him.

2) I like the high 2nd, trust me we have taken this into account, we are currently stashing a Euro.

3) The lakers need to get younger as well, great teams with low picks love deep drafts. They dont have much need for $3mil as compared to drafting a young player.

4) If NYK still needs to clear cap space at the start a free agency, and the Wolves dont like their FA or trade options, they can always trade for Jeffries then.

5) Why are the knicks on a timeline vs. the Wolves not being on a timeline?

I love the pick, the money is useful to the owner, chandler is good, but its just too early for the wolves to give up the cap space for Jared Jeffries. As I said, if neccessary we can still trade for Jared Jeffries after FA begins.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#17 » by sfernald » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:05 am

slinky wrote:
sfernald wrote:Because

#1) Whatever you think of Chandler, he is probably an upgrade on what you currently have, or another chip you can move if you like.

#2) You also get a high 2nd - Nice for stashing Euro players.

#3) You get 3 million which you can use to buy another low 1st pick like the lakers pick (in a great draft next year)

#4) Jeffries immediately becomes a valuable expiring which might have value and be tradable as soon as late summer because the teams that didn't get the player they want in 2009 will want to re-up to the 2010 free agency.

#5) You guys aren't on a timeline where you need to win. The Knicks kind of are. I see you guys at the beginning of a 3 year build up. The Knicks need to have a competitive team next year. You are sacrificing a little bit of time for extra assets with this trade.

That's why I thought it might be fair to you guys.



1) There are a lot of players that are an upgrade to what we currently have, that doesnt mean we need to take on extra money just to obtain him.

2) I like the high 2nd, trust me we have taken this into account, we are currently stashing a Euro.

3) The lakers need to get younger as well, great teams with low picks love deep drafts. They dont have much need for $3mil as compared to drafting a young player.

4) If NYK still needs to clear cap space at the start a free agency, and the Wolves dont like their FA or trade options, they can always trade for Jeffries then.

5) Why are the knicks on a timeline vs. the Wolves not being on a timeline?

I love the pick, the money is useful to the owner, chandler is good, but its just too early for the wolves to give up the cap space for Jared Jeffries. As I said, if neccessary we can still trade for Jared Jeffries after FA begins.


Thank you, thank you for the thoughtful response!

I agree with you. Kahn will not be in that big of rush to make some moves. I see your point of view. This trade might not be right for you, but I bet you make several trades like this by the summer and I expect you will shuffle your roster quite a bit too. Kahn's trades have actually been very fair trades to both parties and I expect that to continue. He will give as much as he gets. The Clippers, for instance, are very happy with Craig Smith and Telfair. The Wizards got good value in Foye and Miller as well. I wouldn't expect any one-sided trades in the Wolves favor any time soon.

I just don't see the lakers keeping that pick because they are just so far over the cap and there's not really any roster room for those late round picks, when they can just scoop up an aging ex-allstar on the cheap. They should be contenders for the next 3-5 years before they need to break it down and start rebuilding again.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#18 » by Vindicater » Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:13 am

Esohny wrote:
sfernald wrote:
B Calrissian wrote:Shrink, he posted the same trade on the Knicks board and they are refering to him as a Wolves fan. So I am guessing they will be flooding this thread soon.


Yes, I'm not a fan of the Knicks. I tried to create a trade that was fair for both parties. The Knicks fans don't like the trade either, so apparently it is a one-sided trade to both parties...haha.


Yes, well, a number of knicks posters overrate Chandler beyond comprehension because he's on their team. As an "impartial" party, what is your excuse for being clueless?


WHat the hell is your deal?

The guy came here with an idea to discuss. You can politely turn him down and explain why like Linky does on the next page.

But instead your choose to insult him?

And I wonder why our board has a bad reputation on other team boards...
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#19 » by Esohny » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:04 pm

Vindicater wrote:
WHat the hell is your deal?

The guy came here with an idea to discuss. You can politely turn him down and explain why like Linky does on the next page.

But instead your choose to insult him?

And I wonder why our board has a bad reputation on other team boards...


What the hell is YOUR deal? Try reading the whole thread, chief. He came in with a terrible proposal, and after people told him why it was one-sided, he immediately started singing the "the Wolves can't sign free agents" song. Not the best way to ingratiate yourself. Thumbs up to you though for trying to be den mother.
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Re: Potential Trade to Knicks? 

Post#20 » by shrink » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:26 pm

I gave him a polite answer, explained our situation, suggested alternatives to make a trade that would work, and even went so far as to say that I believe the Knicks may have a chance at getting two elite free agents if they can do what he's trying.

His response ended with ...

sfernald wrote: I hope you guys don't think a Max Contract player is going to go play for the Wolves??

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