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Post#1 » by Narf » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:18 pm

Got milk?

Session, Pavlovic, Pecherov
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Morrison, Farmar, Lakers 1st round pick, cash

Pretty significant upgrade at PG for the Lakers, sessions becomes the heir apparent for Fisher, a more talented guard than they will get this year in the draft, and he's as young as a draft pick to boot. Not to mention this makes their bench significantly deeper.

The Wolves get more cap space, a pick to rebuild with (lots of good 7 footers at the end of the draft this year, which is the last thing the Lakers need), and Farmar is reasonable backup to Flynn and still only 22 years old. He could actually be end up a decent 1 year stop gap next year as well for 2 mil until Rubio gets here.

I don't particularly like making the Lakers a better team, but this deal seems like it'd work for both sides.
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Post#2 » by B Calrissian » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:26 pm

The Lakers get a great deal, but is Sessions a good fit for them? All Fish has to do is hit open shots. I don't see Sessions filling that role.
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Post#3 » by Narf » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:31 pm

B Calrissian wrote:The Lakers get a great deal, but is Sessions a good fit for them? All Fish has to do is hit open shots. I don't see Sessions filling that role.
He'd be coming off the bench and probably play almost every minute that Kobe doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised with a Fisher/Sessions/Artest lineup for 5 minutes a game while Kobe rests. He'd be a pretty worthwhile improvement over Farmar though, and the Lakers have enough outside shooters (we'd be sending them 2 more for that matter). It's a pretty big upgrade all around for players that are probably not in our future.

I forgot to mention, this trade couldn't be done until Dec 17th. Signed players being traded and all.
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Post#4 » by lobishome » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:35 pm

Narf wrote:Session, Pavlovic, Pekovic

I don't particularly like making the Lakers a better team, but this deal seems like it'd work for both sides.


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Post#5 » by shrink » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:54 pm

I think Sessions has more value than this. Pekovic as well.
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Post#6 » by The J Rocka » Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:59 pm

shrink wrote:I think Sessions has more value than this. Pekovic as well.


Agreed. We get robbed. Sessions > Morrison + Farmar and that Lakers pick doesn't really help us and isn't worth Pek.
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Post#7 » by Narf » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:04 pm

shrink wrote:I think Sessions has more value than this. Pekovic as well.

Did I say Pekovic, I meant Pecherov. Doh! Absolutely no way I'd throw Pekovic in this deal.
And while I like Sessions quite a bit, I don't know that he actually does have more value than cap space, cash, and a late 1st rounder. We could buy another 1st rounder for the 3 mil the Lakers paid us with from a team in deep water financially.
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Post#8 » by Krapinsky » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:39 pm

Not a good deal.

Farmar is terrible. Morrison is equally terrible. We're dumping Sessions for the 30th pick in the draft.
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Post#9 » by Esohny » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:43 pm

Yeah, not a huge fan of this deal for us.
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Post#10 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:44 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:Not a good deal.

Farmar is terrible. Morrison is equally terrible. We're dumping Sessions for the 30th pick in the draft.


Trash for trash. I don't see the point. I don't see Sessions as better than Brown or Farmar in the Laker's system (they really need a shooter there).

Plus you could probably buy the Laker's #1 next year for 3 Mill today if you really want it. With their salary cap, there is no way in hell they are keeping it.
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Post#11 » by Worm Guts » Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:47 pm

Why would we do this?
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Post#12 » by shrink » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:22 am

LOL - you missed the Pekovic, and I missed the cash.

Anyway, with OPech and cash, this is a lot closer than I think.

I believe that while we needed Sessions, part of the reason Kahn got him was as a value-play. Sessions is worth more than his contract. When he was playing so well for MIL last year (hmm .. maybe that's suspicious with Brandon Evans now), somethought Sessions would get at least MLE money, and probably more, and a long 4-5 year deal. His final deal was far less than that, simply because MIL couldn't keep him, and other teams had made their commitments to other PG's, either with money or draft picks. Sessions 2010-11 and 2011-12 cost are relatively cheap, and most teams would love to have him as a #1/#2 PG.

However for MIN, Sessions doesn't just cost $4 mil next year .. he costs us $4 mil in raw cap space. That makes him relatively more expensive for us than other teams, and I could see him being traded. I would also think it'd be sooner, rather than later, while he still carries the glow of several terrific 2008-09 game for the Bucks, and fewer stinkers for MIN.

Now the question boils down to whether Sessions is worth more to the Wolves than $4 mil in 2010 cap space, a very late 1st, and cash. With our team attempting to have enough cap space available to match a max-deal offer, I'd say that's an offer I'd entertain. I'd put his name out there though .. I think other teams might offer more, but to us, I think its something to think about.
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Post#13 » by Narf » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:30 am

LOL Shrink. Brandon Jennings, not Evans. :lol:

Remember, too, Sessions can't be packaged with other players until mid-December. That's when we will probably trade him.

I agree we might get more value for Sessions than this. But it just occured to me that the Wolves and Lakers were not such a bad fit in this department. Their 1st costs us almost nothing in cap space, since it's replacing a minimum level roster spot, so this deal hardly even affects our cap situation. And unlike most people, I think there is going to be a very good center available at the end of the 1st round. I wouldn't be surprised if the Lakers added a protected future 1st to get this deal done. So next year's 1st and a top 15 protected future 1st (which won't matter, they are going to be good for a while yet).

I give up, clearly I screwed this thread up with the Pekovic snafu. I'm drinking my 2nd beer now, maybe we'll be able to type better after a couple of cold ones eh?
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Post#14 » by Worm Guts » Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:16 pm

Sessions is only 23 and has been productive at the NBA level. It makes no sense to me to trade him for a late first round pick. Keep the young guy that's already shown something. We will have 2 1st round picks in this draft anyway. Sessions is obviously expendable because of Flynn, but not like this.
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Post#15 » by shrink » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:22 pm

Narf wrote:LOL Shrink. Brandon Jennings, not Evans. :lol:


Wow. How bad do you have to be to mess up Brandon Jennings name? I probably heard it mentioned once or twice in the last few weeks.
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Post#16 » by Devilzsidewalk » Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:37 pm

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Post#17 » by Foye » Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:55 pm

shrink wrote:I think Sessions has more value than this. Pekovic as well.


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Post#18 » by john2jer » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:26 pm

We get ripped off in this deal. It's pretty much a salary dump of Sessions, which he actually has positive value. The 28-30th pick in the draft doesn't have that much value, even in a good draft, especially when we'll likely have decent 2nd rounders.
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Post#19 » by Tekkenlaw » Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:33 pm

This is too good for the Lakers, Wolves are basically just selling low on some talented players, take out Pekovic and I would still do it from the Lakers side. Would love to have sessions on the Lakers, especially for this price.

I can see where you are coming from with this though, Sessions hasn't been playing well, and the Wolves may be better off looking for a cheaper backup point guard, but he is still a value contract and should bring back some value.

With all that said, I would be pretty ecstatic if this trade went down, Lakers are my primary and hometown team, and the Wolves as my 2nd team aren't losing out on enough talent to make me have a problem with the trade going down. It doesn't really do a lot of damage to the Wolves long term, depending on what Pekovic does if he comes over.
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Post#20 » by Narf » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:13 pm

Doggonit, I edited it to say Pecherov so people will stop responding to Pekovic.
It was a mistype, not meant to be the trade.

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