Bagnani's Contract an Albatross?

RapsRebuilder · Post #1 » by **RapsRebuilder** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:19 pm

I know a lot of people around the Raptors circle were happy when Bargnani accepted a 5yr - 50 million deal, seeing it as a "bargain deal" in anticipation of his emerging star power.

But does anyone else around the league actually consider this a good deal? I remember when Bargnani signed the agreement many people outside of the Raptors organization were questioning this kind of financial commitment for a player that despite an offensive touch still shows many glaring deficiencies.

If it ever gets to the stage where BC tries to trade Bargs, do you think other teams will be hesitant to to take on a 50 million contract? As a fan of exploring trade options for Bargs, I'm a little worried about this contract hindering the amount of potential suitors.

Tom Baker · Post #2 » by **Tom Baker** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:21 pm

I still don't think it's an albatross, especially for a big*. I've seen much, much worse around the league.

It's not his paycheck that's the issue. It's his fit on this team. He would need to play PF with a bruising, rebounding, defensive C next to him for me to see what he can really do. Either on this team (trade Bosh) or another team (trade Bargs).

If I had the choice, I'd keep Bosh and trade Bargs.

* EDIT: Somewhere, Harry's laughing.

freshest1 · Post #3 » by **freshest1** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:24 pm

His contract, upside and offensive numbers make him the most desirable trading asset on our team. [/thread]

99 Problems · Post #4 » by **99 Problems** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:24 pm

Not really, if he was scoring the same way he was earlier in the season.. I'm pretty sure he'll eventually go on a hot streak sometime this season, which will raise his value..

Next year with Bosh gone, he'll get enough touches to average close to 20ppg..

Habibi · Post #5 » by **Habibi** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:25 pm

He's 24 years old and among the league leaders in offensive efficiency.

Dr Octagon · Post #6 » by **Dr Octagon** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:25 pm

Hedo's contract an Albatross.

McFurious1 · Post #7 » by **McFurious1** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:25 pm

Bargnani is not the problem... if you want to point fingers point it at the franchise player.

Habibi · Post #8 » by **Habibi** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:28 pm

PeterJ wrote:Hedo's contract an Albatross.

+1

Hedo, Calderon and Jack are all worse contracts than Bargnani.

freshest1 · Post #9 » by **freshest1** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:30 pm

PeterJ wrote:Hedo's contract an Albatross.

The plot thickens. I like Hedo but damn that mofo is paid, and not used enough/ or properly. I would love to trade jose and bosh, for a solid defensive C and uptempo PG pick(s), then run the offense through Hedo and Bargs. (say lopez and harris)

Hoopstarr · Post #10 » by **Hoopstarr** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:32 pm

It's not an albatross but that doesn't make it any less dumber to sign a guy before he's even an RFA. Did they actually think there was a chance they'd lose him next year? With the falling cap, he would've cost even less next year and they'd have the right to match any offer. Not that teams would be lining up to pay him in the first place.

Evermore · Post #11 » by **Evermore** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:33 pm

PeterJ wrote:Hedo's contract an Albatross.

Big time

I think we're stuck with him for a few years...and that's not a good thing

freshest1 · Post #12 » by **freshest1** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:34 pm

Hoopstarr wrote:It's not an albatross but that doesn't make it any less dumber to sign a guy before he's even an RFA. Did they actually think there was a chance they'd lose him next year? With the falling cap, he would've cost even less next year and they'd have the right to match any offer. Not that teams would be lining up to pay him in the first place.

I'm pretty sure the worry was that Bargs would have a coming out party this year and with all the 2010 money being saved that someone one would pay him more than we could afford.

Test of Wills · Post #13 » by **Test of Wills** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:35 pm

Bargnani is the worst possible fit for this team.

-He is not a true 'C', his natural position is PF and like T. Baker said he needs a defensive bruiser playing along side him

-Calderon cannot stay in front of his man, he's constantly being beat. Bargnani is a horrible help defender and he doesn't have that intimidation factor to alter shots consistently and is often too late to help.

-Not a good fit along side Bosh offensively and defensively. Not enough touches for him for us to see what he can really do.

gp2015 · Post #14 » by **gp2015** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:35 pm

We can easily find a team to take on Bargs and his contract. He needs to be on a team with a proper C or PF, but it shouldn't be that difficult. His contract is reasonable for his talent. He just doesn't fit in on this team.

Hedo is another story. I don't think many teams would want him and especially not with his contract.

A_wildstabatanything · Post #15 » by **A_wildstabatanything** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:35 pm

Bargnani's contract isn't a problem. Hedo on the other hand... basically unmoveable.

I doubt Portland would even consider taking him now after what happened in the summer. Other than them what's left? I guess Colangelo could always package a couple of first rounders and take back another team's trash. He's done it before!

Habibi · Post #16 » by **Habibi** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:44 pm

Test of Wills wrote:Bargnani is the worst possible fit for this team.

-He is not a true 'C', his natural position is PF and like T. Baker said he needs a defensive bruiser playing along side him

-Calderon cannot stay in front of his man, he's constantly being beat. Bargnani is a horrible help defender and he doesn't have that intimidation factor to alter shots consistently and is often too late to help.

-Not a good fit along side Bosh offensively and defensively. Not enough touches for him for us to see what he can really do.

If Bosh leaves, I have no real problem shipping Calderon away and building around Bargs. If we trade Bargs and Calderon, and Bosh leaves, this team is **** for a long, long time. I, for one, would like to take a stab at putting someone like Samuel Dalembert (overpaid, but only 2 years left on his deal, and being shopped - so we could try it out without handcuffing ourselves) beside Bargnani and letting Jack start.

Dalembert
Bargnani
Hedo
Belinelli
Jack

Jose/Amir/Reggie/Demar off the bench.

I'm really sick of the current core. I like Bargnani's contract and potential upside if the coaches would make a concerted effort to make him our primary scorer.

draft · Post #17 » by **draft** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:47 pm

He's going to be making 8 million next year. Jose is making 9 million and Hedo is 9.8. He's getting paid what he deserves. The other 2 are the overpaid ones.

Jose_Matador · Post #18 » by **Jose_Matador** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:54 pm

His contract is the best we have, 50 mil-5 years for a center who gives you 19+ppg is a bargain in this league, understand that guys like Anderson Vaerajo on CLE are making what Bargnani makes. Its a great contract, he just doesn't fit the center position beside Bosh, we need a defensive center to compliment Bargnani, or a banger to compliment Bosh.

RapsVC15 · Post #19 » by **RapsVC15** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:55 pm

Albatross?!?! lol do you even know what an Albatross is?

10 mill is the going rate for an ever improving 18 point a game scorer.

Post #20 » by **bryant08** » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:56 pm

If you guys think Hedo is overpaid, then I don't know what you guys were expecting (other than perhaps better 4th quarter performances). He's currently down 2.7 points, 1.1 assists and 0.9 rebounds from last year. He's shooting a career best from the field and from beyond the arc as well as averaging a career best in blocks per game.