Trading Crash

[Mezotarkus]

I much prefer to deal Diaw for a PF. Crash is our co-best player (with Jackson) and needs to be here as part of the solution. Boris is a tradable commodity, especially if he starts being more productive, but he's not the ultimate answer here at the 4. Having said all that, getting a star 2 (and moving Jackson to the 3) may convince me to deal Crash.

I have been saying for some time that we need a real 4 not Diaw. I doubt we could get a decent 4 in exchange for Diaw. But even an average 4 would be an upgrade.

[Blazinaway]

When we suck you guys want to trade Crash. When we start to play well and Crash is back being Crash, you want to trade him. Be bigger homers for once!

Hint #1: We haven't started "to play well."

Hint #2: If you think we are playing well then please look in the mirror to find the homer.

How bout Rudy Fernndez and one of Webster, Outlaw, Blake for crash? Or when Dec 15 comes along Rudy and Andre Miller if you aren't happy with your PG's?

[princeofpalace]

What about something like Rip/Bynum for Wallace/Augustin?


Charlotte stays lateral at the wings but upgrades at PG
Pistons get a better fit at the wings but causes a downgrade at PG

[Fred Williamson]

What about something like Rip/Bynum for Wallace/Augustin?


Charlotte stays lateral at the wings but upgrades at PG
Pistons get a better fit at the wings but causes a downgrade at PG

Stay lateral? Are you kidding? This deal would be a downgrade by all means, and there is absolutly no need for Rip, since we have already have a scorer at the 2, who is also a better defender and playmaker.

Crash is untouchable at the moment, unless someone comes up with a trade that brings us a real All-star caliber player in return, who can take us to the next level.

[princeofpalace]

Jackson is a natural SF so this trade works positionally

and while Wallace is a better rebounder and defender, Rip is easily the better scorer and playmaker. I still think this is a lateral swap on the wing but its also an undeniable upgrade at PG.

[doc.end]

We better talk about that after regular season, end of season for you, postseason for us. Easy no. We would downgrade at two positions and what's more receiving players which won't fit. Try Memphis instead.

[thruthefire]

Jackson is a natural SF so this trade works positionally

and while Wallace is a better rebounder and defender, Rip is easily the better scorer and playmaker. I still think this is a lateral swap on the wing but its also an undeniable upgrade at PG.

I like Jackson better at shooting guard.

As for the trade, I don't think Hamilton for Wallace is lateral, but I do agree we would undoubtedly be upgrading at point guard. I still feel D.J. can get back to his rookie season form, in which case he's closer to Bynum's level, so I say no.

[thruthefire]

and there is absolutly no need for Rip, since we have already have a scorer at the 2, who is also a better defender and playmaker.

But I thought Jackson was a scrub?

[princeofpalace]

We better talk about that after regular season, end of season for you, postseason for us. Easy no. We would downgrade at two positions and what's more receiving players which won't fit. Try Memphis instead.

Pistons are 1.5 games back from Charlotte and have been missing 2 starters for 10+ games, Ben Gordon for 2 and CV for 2. There is nothing to suggest at all that Charlotte will be in the playoffs while the Pistons wont.

Will Bynum is playing significantly better than both Raymond Felton and DJ Augustin- so I'm not sure how he is a downgrade nor do I see how he wouldnt fit...

Will Bynum:13.7 points/4.5 assists/3.1boards on 45%FG, 27%3PT 83%FT 17.5 PER in 28 minutes

vs Bobcats PG
Augustin: 5.7 points/2.2 assists/1.3 boards on 35%FG, 27%3PT and 70%FT 7.2 PER in 31 minutes
Felton: 10.5 points/5 assists/ 3 boards on 38% FG 26% 3PT75%FT11.6 PER in 19 minutes

Bynum would easily become the teams best and starting PG

[thruthefire]

I like Bynum, but giving up Wallace for Hamilton just to get him isn't worth it, IMO. Jackson likes playing shooting guard much more than small forward, but with Rip on board he would have to be a SF. The problem with Jackson at SF is that we lose a lot of rebounding and Jackson won't be able to post up as effectively as he could at SG. This is without even considering that Hamilton is older and more expensive than Wallace, and is currently on the shelf. Most would consider Wallace a better player than Hamilton, too.

Felton's really come along these past five games -- 10.4 PPG, 5.4 APG, 3.2 RPG, 2.2 STL, 0.4 TO, 43% shooting in 30.6 MPG -- and we've been a much better team with him on the court, so I don't see an upgrade at point guard to be a pressing issue. What we really need is for D.J. to start playing like he did last season. Which is another point to add, a 21-year-old D.J. Augustin was a much better player than a 21-year-old Will Bynum.

The other problem is Bynum's defense isn't of Felton's caliber.

Bynum: Opponent PER of 17.4; Pistons are +4.6 defensively per 100 poss. with him off the court
Felton: Opponent PER of 14.3; Bobcats are -1.3 defensively per 100 poss. with him off the court

Not saying that makes Felton better than Bynum, but we are a defensive team first and foremost.

[Benjamin Linus]

I'm actually a pretty big fan of Rip, but this trade definitely has its cons. Most have already been mentioned but still, not having Wallace is going to take a serious hit on our team's rebounding numbers. Jackson, who has been great for us at the SG spot, is constantly creating mismatches and drawing defenders in away from our other players (something we have seriously been lacking in), and well, with this trade we'll be getting even older and adding on even more salary.

But like I said, I am a big fan of Rip and I think he would be great for our system. As I'm sure you know, LB places a huge emphasis on player movement and ball movement and Rip is still one of the best in the league at moving without the ball while also being a great passer and shooter. I honestly don't think we'd lose much, if anything, on defense and I actually feel our offense would improve some. We'd just lose quite a bit in rebounding and possibly some of the energy Wallace brings. Again Rip's contract, age, and recent injury problems scare me a little.

Clearly Detroit would have to add something more to the table than just a Hamilton/Wallace swap but I can't honestly say that I'm a huge fan of trading Bynum for Augustin. While Bynum is a good player, I feel that Augustin has just been in a little bit of a slump this season and still has more potential than Bynum. However, I would love to undo two of the mistakes our front office made last season so if you guys are willing to take on Diop's contract or send over a first, I'd probably consider. Both would be great though.

[fatlever]

as long as we have boris as pf we NEED wallace a sf to counter the lack of boris' rebounding.

we need a scoring post pf and a pass first pg. thats it.

besides a franchise stud... but that aint happening anytime soon.