Westbrook n Green for Rubio n Love?

[lobishome]

This trade makes no sense Durantist.

Why would OKC trade for Rubio when they passed on him in the draft? If they wanted Rubio that bad they could have taken him and still have Green and Westbrook.

I was thinking the same. I was missed because nobody had said something as evident like your post.

I can't understand nothing about NBA. For example, some people here has stranger ideas about trades. Other post propose to change Marc Gasol+change x Al Jefferson. WFT can understand this if Memphis's GM isn't a (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Why Memphis or Gasol will will be agree with this ****?

Today, Gasol is a imposible player for Minnie. Last year maybe, or early October of this session, but ... NOW? ... Somebody who is working in minnie must ginger up if he want to get the best young players before they be too expensive for Minnie.

[Biff Cooper]

Personally, if I was dealing Love to OKC, I'd want Harden rather than Westbrook or Green.

I know OKC figures Green is more of a 3 than a 4, and with Durant at the 3, they struggle a bit defensively with Green at the 4. Sefalosha's stellar defensive play and favorable contract also creates a similar backlog at the 2 position between him and Harden.

[Devilzsidewalk]

This trade makes no sense Durantist.

Why would OKC trade for Rubio when they passed on him in the draft? If they wanted Rubio that bad they could have taken him and still have Green and Westbrook.

I was thinking the same. I was missed because nobody had said something as evident like your post.

shouldn't have to be explained because it's completely obvious, but thats only relevant if it were a proven fact that the only players a team wants in the draft is the one that they take. So Cleveland doesn't want Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh because they passed on them for Lebron James? No, they obviously would have taken all 3 if they could have, but they had 1 pick. Just because you take a guy doesn't mean you don't want any of the others, just means you wanted the guy you took the most. OKC wanted James Harden, doesn't mean they wouldn't like Rubio too.

I can't understand nothing about NBA. For example, some people here has stranger ideas about trades. Other post propose to change Marc Gasol+change x Al Jefferson. WFT can understand this if Memphis's GM isn't a (Please Use More Appropriate Word)? Why Memphis or Gasol will will be agree with this ****?

Today, Gasol is a imposible player for Minnie. Last year maybe, or early October of this session, but ... NOW? ... Somebody who is working in minnie must ginger up if he want to get the best young players before they be too expensive for Minnie.

yes, players' stocks go up and down. Last year Al Jefferson was housing Marc Gasol's sorry ass and this year he's playing on 1 leg. And last year Mayo was a future superstar and Rudy Gay was supposedly ruining the team, this year Mayo sucks and is ruining things and Rudy is the #1 option and the team looks almost half-decent. Almost.

[Esohny]

Personally, if I was dealing Love to OKC, I'd want Harden rather than Westbrook or Green.

I know OKC figures Green is more of a 3 than a 4, and with Durant at the 3, they struggle a bit defensively with Green at the 4. Sefalosha's stellar defensive play and favorable contract also creates a similar backlog at the 2 position between him and Harden.

I'd agree that Harden is the most desirable of the 3, but what else do we get with him if we traded Love?

[Worm Guts]

I'd agree that Harden is the most desirable of the 3, but what else do we get with him if we traded Love?

Replace Westbrook with Harden in this trade and the fit is much better, although I think Westbrook is a better player than Harden.

[cpfsf]

This trade makes no sense Durantist.

Why would OKC trade for Rubio when they passed on him in the draft? If they wanted Rubio that bad they could have taken him and still have Green and Westbrook.

They thought Harden>Rubio, not necessarily Westbrook+Green>Love+Rubio. However, if I was OKC I would oppose the offer. They have the same record as 8th seed Houston while having the Clippers, Kings, and Hornets close behind. Waiting for Rubio for 2-3 years won't make them win now. I also believe making the playoffs could convince free agents to sign there (14-15 million in capspace).

[lobishome]

shouldn't have to be explained because it's completely obvious, but thats only relevant if it were a proven fact that the only players a team wants in the draft is the one that they take. So Cleveland doesn't want Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh because they passed on them for Lebron James? No, they obviously would have taken all 3 if they could have, but they had 1 pick. Just because you take a guy doesn't mean you don't want any of the others, just means you wanted the guy you took the most. OKC wanted James Harden, doesn't mean they wouldn't like Rubio too.

yes, players' stocks go up and down. Last year Al Jefferson was housing Marc Gasol's sorry ass and this year he's playing on 1 leg. And last year Mayo was a future superstar and Rudy Gay was supposedly ruining the team, this year Mayo sucks and is ruining things and Rudy is the #1 option and the team looks almost half-decent. Almost.

1 -. It isn't a valid comparison (like all comparisons) for many reasons.

2 -. I know the injury of Big Al, but 2008's Gasol is the same player than 2009's Gasol, with a bit of experience more. I watched the Marc's evolution since 2006 world championship and I'm not surprised. I'm only surprised that you are surprised with him now. His progress about minutes, points, rebounds and teamwork is the logical evolution of a good sophomore. When he came, he was already a great player, a Spanish league MVP.

3 -. The 99% of the "trade ideas" of this forum are based in the other team's stupidity.

[Biff Cooper]

Personally, if I was dealing Love to OKC, I'd want Harden rather than Westbrook or Green.

I know OKC figures Green is more of a 3 than a 4, and with Durant at the 3, they struggle a bit defensively with Green at the 4. Sefalosha's stellar defensive play and favorable contract also creates a similar backlog at the 2 position between him and Harden.

I'd agree that Harden is the most desirable of the 3, but what else do we get with him if we traded Love?

A couple weeks we were discussing Love for Harden, and I said at the time that I would want something additional in return. Maybe we could get Phx #1 pick thrown in the deal, but more than that would probably be unrealistic.

[C.lupus]

At the risk of sounding like a homer, Kevin Love is last player I would trade on this team - and I definitely wouldn't trade him for Green. It's not that I think he is an elite player but I think he is the best player fit for the type of system that Rambis/Kahn want to run. His rebounding and outlet passes are going to be crucial to starting fast breaks and I think the team is going to be significantly better when he returns. So, "no" to any trade involving Love unless it really improves the team and I don't think any of these trades with OKC do that.

[Esohny]

shouldn't have to be explained because it's completely obvious, but thats only relevant if it were a proven fact that the only players a team wants in the draft is the one that they take. So Cleveland doesn't want Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh because they passed on them for Lebron James? No, they obviously would have taken all 3 if they could have, but they had 1 pick. Just because you take a guy doesn't mean you don't want any of the others, just means you wanted the guy you took the most. OKC wanted James Harden, doesn't mean they wouldn't like Rubio too.

yes, players' stocks go up and down. Last year Al Jefferson was housing Marc Gasol's sorry ass and this year he's playing on 1 leg. And last year Mayo was a future superstar and Rudy Gay was supposedly ruining the team, this year Mayo sucks and is ruining things and Rudy is the #1 option and the team looks almost half-decent. Almost.

1 -. It isn't a valid comparison (like all comparisons) for many reasons.

2 -. I know the injury of Big Al, but 2008's Gasol is the same player than 2009's Gasol, with a bit of experience more. I watched the Marc's evolution since 2006 world championship and I'm not surprised. I'm only surprised that you are surprised with him now. His progress about minutes, points, rebounds and teamwork is the logical evolution of a good sophomore. When he came, he was already a great player, a Spanish league MVP.

3 -. The 99% of the "trade ideas" of this forum are based in the other team's stupidity.

It's actually a perfectly valid comparison, since it directly addresses the "point" that was made. And as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Danimals]

Just throwing this out there for speculation:

Jefferson and Pavlovic/Ellington or both for
Green, Harden, and either Krstic or Collison as a basis for a deal,
I don't know if any other players or picks would need to be involved

Does either team consider this?

[Krapinsky]

I can't see OKC wanting to split up their core at this point. I think Green, Durant, Harden, Westbrook are all there to stay.

As for the Wolves, Rubio and Love are our best bets for the future. Those are the two players I'd least like to see traded. They are our two players that should most flourish in the triangle and best fit Kahn's long term vision of a running team.

[Foye]

I like it for the Wolves.

Guess you need to throw in the Charlotte 1st for OKC to consider this...

Jefferson and Ellington

for

Green, Harden and Collison works in trade checker.

Pavlovic can't be traded until Dec. 17th.

Flynn/Sessions
Harden/Brewer
Green/Gomes
Love/Pecherov/Jawai
Hollins/Love

That lineup looks more balanced than our current one.

Westbrook
Sefolosha
Durant
Jefferson
Krstic

Gives OKC the inside presence they need but I don't know if it is worth giving up Green and especially Harden who looks like he can give them a great spark off the bench.

I think they would decline.

[Biff Cooper]

So, "no" to any trade involving Love unless it really improves the team and I don't think any of these trades with OKC do that.

If it was essentially Love straight up for Green, Westbrook, or Harden - the only one of the three I'd really consider would be Harden. I think he has the chance to be a very very good NBA player.

Just throwing this out there for speculation:

Jefferson and Pavlovic/Ellington or both for
Green, Harden, and either Krstic or Collison as a basis for a deal,
I don't know if any other players or picks would need to be involved

Does either team consider this?

Maybe - depending on when the trade is made. Jefferson's injury makes it really difficult to put a value on him right now. Other teams take on a lot of risk in trading for him (particularly a team with playoff aspirations), so we would likely be short on getting return value on a trade involving Al. It seems like we are best off holding on to him for a while and hoping he fully recovers.

[Krapinsky]

If it was essentially Love straight up for Green, Westbrook, or Harden - the only one of the three I'd really consider would be Harden. I think he has the chance to be a very very good NBA player.

I like all three, but Westbrook is clearly the best talent of the three and the only one that would be fair value wise for Love straight up.

[Danimals]

In response to Biff: (again just for pure speculation)

I was thinking the Jefferson deal would be done nearer the trade deadline. Jefferson should be healthy and back to his old self, 20-10. OKC might still be around the 7-8th seed and realize they have no one who can score in the post and you can't compete in the playoffs without that. So maybe they decide the time to compete is now, and instead of waiting for more players to develop they make a trade for Big Al. At the same time, perhaps the Wolves have decided that for reasons of defense and offensive scheme fit, they are ready to capitalize on Jefferson's trade value. They are ready to move on and are looking hard at drafting Aldrich or bringing Pekovic over. The scenario I imagine is as follows:

Jefferson, Ellington, and Pavlovic for
Green, Harden, and Collison
(maybe picks are exchanged as well, depending on the play/development of said players)

the results are:
MN-
Flynn/Sessions/Hart
Brewer/Harden
Green/Gomes/Wilkins
Love/Collison/Jawai
Hollins/Collison/Pecherov
We are still not competing for the playoffs, but we are much more balanced. We are also becoming a much more cerebral, triangle-esque squad. We still have assets and are still taking the best player available in the upcoming draft. We still may target Turner and Aldrich. We have opened space for Pekovic. We have less capspace, but still have options, including the expirings of Bount and Wilkins to play with this year.

OKC-
Westbrook/Livingston/Ollie
Sefolosha/Weaver/Ellington
Durant/Pavlovic
Krstic/Ibanka/White
Jefferson/Thomas/Mullins
They run out a much more playoff ready starting five. Pavlovic gives them playoff experience off the bench. They may want to make a move using the expiring of Thomas to sure up their bench with playoff tested vets. They still have assets in the upcoming draft. They are still young, but slightly more proven and better balanced.

Now my reasons to do this trade and not.
Is trading a 20-10 post presence to a divison rival smart? Generally no, but this would be hoping that OKC goes forward with too weak of defense to be serious contenders, and the two best players in the league who can't make those around them better in Durant and Jefferson. Hopefully this would leave them mired in mediocrity while we rise to the top. On the other hand, we might be able to draft Turner(poetentially better version of Harden) and Aldrich, and also sign Rudy Gay(better than Green?) without giving up Jefferson. Could we make a contender out of those peices? This is the gamble of trading and drafting. You just never know.

[Biff Cooper]

I was thinking the Jefferson deal would be done nearer the trade deadline. Jefferson should be healthy and back to his old self, 20-10.

This might be a bit aggressive. We can hope Jefferson will be back to his old healthy self by February, but Rambis doesn't expect this to happen until the beginning of the 2010-11 season. We would get quite a bit of value for Jefferson in your deal. It is tough to say if this value is appropriate or too much at this point in time. Probably worth keeping in the back of our heads as a potential deal idea.

[lobishome]

shouldn't have to be explained because it's completely obvious, but thats only relevant if it were a proven fact that the only players a team wants in the draft is the one that they take. So Cleveland doesn't want Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh because they passed on them for Lebron James? No, they obviously would have taken all 3 if they could have, but they had 1 pick. Just because you take a guy doesn't mean you don't want any of the others, just means you wanted the guy you took the most. OKC wanted James Harden, doesn't mean they wouldn't like Rubio too.

yes, players' stocks go up and down. Last year Al Jefferson was housing Marc Gasol's sorry ass and this year he's playing on 1 leg. And last year Mayo was a future superstar and Rudy Gay was supposedly ruining the team, this year Mayo sucks and is ruining things and Rudy is the #1 option and the team looks almost half-decent. Almost.

1 -. It isn't a valid comparison (like all comparisons) for many reasons.

2 -. I know the injury of Big Al, but 2008's Gasol is the same player than 2009's Gasol, with a bit of experience more. I watched the Marc's evolution since 2006 world championship and I'm not surprised. I'm only surprised that you are surprised with him now. His progress about minutes, points, rebounds and teamwork is the logical evolution of a good sophomore. When he came, he was already a great player, a Spanish league MVP.

3 -. The 99% of the "trade ideas" of this forum are based in the other team's stupidity.

It's actually a perfectly valid comparison, since it directly addresses the "point" that was made. And as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, I haven't phucking idea, but

When cavs picked Lebron, five minutes after draft him they would like sign Carmelo, Bosh or both.

Oklahoma could pick Rubio but they prefer Harden. If Rubio was picked at 2#, he could pay his buyout and play for them this year. Simply they prefer Harden. Why they change his opinion now if Rubio will be in Spain two or three years?

It's a stupid comparison.