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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#41 » by Klomp » Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:57 pm

Wolves2011 wrote:Its too bad McHale didn't take Roy and then buy the Phoenix pick and take Rondo like the Celtics.
[Celtics bought Rondo for cash from the suns.]

KG, Roy and Rondo. That could work. :D


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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#42 » by Krapinsky » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:13 pm

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Esohny wrote:This is all why the Foye-Roy trade was worse. Foye was not a PG in college(they just thought that they could make him one), and I recall tons of people (and experts) easily favoring Roy.

Ah well. Rats.


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http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/dra ... ear%3d2006


I'm not sure if you're mocking Esohny with that, using it as defense of Foye, or agreeing with him about Roy.

In one breath Ford says Roy has the inside track on ROY, then says Foye will be a dynamic scorer that can play right away. But before all that he commended Charlotte for taking AMMO becuase of his star power, and get this, "killer instinct and leadership". I think he's shown anything BUT "killer instinct and leadership" so far.


I was just pointing out that it was kind of a mixed bag. I don't think there was anyone that thought it was a good or bad deal either way at the time.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#43 » by Esohny » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:20 pm

Shrug. The Wolves didn't get totally murdered at the time, because people still liked Foye as a prospect, but even Chad Ford said in his draft grades that they should have kept Roy.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#44 » by Krapinsky » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:20 pm

What's amazing about the Roy pick is that the Blazers got it for Telfair and taking on some salary. The Celtics could have had Rondo and Roy in that draft.

Maybe wolves can do something similar this year if they can't get a star free agent.

Dalembert + Top 10 pick for Hollins + Cap Space?
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#45 » by Wolves2011 » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:38 pm

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:What's amazing about the Roy pick is that the Blazers got it for Telfair and taking on some salary. The Celtics could have had Rondo and Roy in that draft.

Maybe wolves can do something similar this year if they can't get a star free agent.

Dalembert + Top 10 pick for Hollins + Cap Space?


The celtics got Ray Allen for their draft pick. Most draft picks have some risks. The Celtics had decided to go for a championship - NOW!!. It was a "smarter" move to "go for it now" with Ray Allen rather than a young player.

People had high hopes for Foye and Roy but nobody really said they are "can't miss" stars.

Look at any draft and between 2/3 and 3/4 of the players are "flops". Meaning they were either drafted much too high or shouldn't have been taken at all.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#46 » by Krapinsky » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:46 pm

Wolves2011 wrote:
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:What's amazing about the Roy pick is that the Blazers got it for Telfair and taking on some salary. The Celtics could have had Rondo and Roy in that draft.

Maybe wolves can do something similar this year if they can't get a star free agent.

Dalembert + Top 10 pick for Hollins + Cap Space?


The celtics got Ray Allen for their draft pick. Most draft picks have some risks. The Celtics had decided to go for a championship - NOW!!. It was a "smarter" move to "go for it now" with Ray Allen rather than a young player.

People had high hopes for Foye and Roy but nobody really said they are "can't miss" stars.

Look at any draft and between 2/3 and 3/4 of the players are "flops". Meaning they were either drafted much too high or shouldn't have been taken at all.


We were talking about the 2006 draft.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#47 » by hairybyrd » Tue Dec 1, 2009 12:57 am

this is the best "what if" thread i've ever read, seriously
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#48 » by C.lupus » Tue Dec 1, 2009 12:59 am

Nah, we've had bigger.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#49 » by john2jer » Tue Dec 1, 2009 2:03 am

C.lupus wrote:Nah, we've had bigger.


That's what she said.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#50 » by revprodeji » Tue Dec 1, 2009 2:28 am

btw, (I do not want to read 4 pages of whining about the past.)

SnP did not write the article. There are a handful of writers on Canis. Not every article is written by SnP.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#51 » by Wolves2011 » Tue Dec 1, 2009 4:58 am

Dr.Krapinsky wrote:
Wolves2011 wrote:
Dr.Krapinsky wrote:What's amazing about the Roy pick is that the Blazers got it for Telfair and taking on some salary. The Celtics could have had Rondo and Roy in that draft.

Maybe wolves can do something similar this year if they can't get a star free agent.

Dalembert + Top 10 pick for Hollins + Cap Space?


The celtics got Ray Allen for their draft pick. Most draft picks have some risks. The Celtics had decided to go for a championship - NOW!!. It was a "smarter" move to "go for it now" with Ray Allen rather than a young player.

People had high hopes for Foye and Roy but nobody really said they are "can't miss" stars.

Look at any draft and between 2/3 and 3/4 of the players are "flops". Meaning they were either drafted much too high or shouldn't have been taken at all.


We were talking about the 2006 draft.


Hi, sorry, you are right I was confusing the Ray Allen trade with the Telfair trade.

The telfair trade also brought the Ratliff contract, which the Celtics needed to trade young players like Jefferson, Gomes and Telfair for a veteran like KG.

That was Ainge's plan. Trade young players for a veteran allstar and he needed expiring contracts to do it.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#52 » by Worm Guts » Tue Dec 1, 2009 1:36 pm

revprodeji wrote:btw, (I do not want to read 4 pages of whining about the past.)

SnP did not write the article. There are a handful of writers on Canis. Not every article is written by SnP.


Would you rather have us whine about the present? I don't know why we can't have a reasonable discussion about the past.
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Re: McHale's biggest regret from S&P article 

Post#53 » by revprodeji » Tue Dec 1, 2009 3:15 pm

That was not my point. Just to correct the author.
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