Boozer and Bosh

[drivewayball]

One follows the other in the alphabetical listing of NBA players and both will free agents in 2010. Both played for the Olympic team and Bosh got all the minutes. When free agency for next year is discussed, James, Wade and Bosh get most of the ink. In other words, Bosh's game is viewed far more favorably in the eyes of media and fans.

Well, despite the horrific first few games of this season for Carlos, let's look at the two of them now. Carlos is shooting 56% to just 48% for Bosh. Boozer's FT percentage is better by a similar 8% - 84 to 76. At this point, Bosh has a slight rebounding edge 12.3 to 10.9 in one additional minute per game and blocks a mere .4 more shots per game. However, steals and assists are more than double for Boozer over Bosh. And Carlos' team is playing better.

If your vote goes to Bosh, it has to be based on the fact that he's a couple years younger, because the stat sheet does not support it.

[@ndrew]

I didn't like Bosh. He need more weight and power - he is just that pussy PF of modern league. You need to go to the basket, post people to be really great. Even Dirk took the next step and became more of inside threat then the outside. I'll better go with Boozer. Hope he will not stop playing after new contract.

[schneiderjazz]

Bosh is not a better player than Boozer IMO. He's younger, taller and, especially, less injury prone than Booz though. There's also the Boozer can't be trusted thing. That's why he's regarded as a max guy and Boozer isn't. On the court, I don't think there's any difference between them in terms of impact and contribution.

[tankster]

Bosh is not a better player than Boozer IMO. He's younger, taller and, especially, less injury prone than Booz though. There's also the Boozer can't be trusted thing. That's why he's regarded as a max guy and Boozer isn't. On the court, I don't think there's any difference between them in terms of impact and contribution.

Other than his production on the court, you're in no position to know anything about Boozer. Yet you've decided (all the way from Brazil I might add), "that he can't be trusted??" It's guys like you that continue to fuel the trash mill!

[QuantumMacgyver]

Who is a better player, Ramon Sessions or Allen Iverson? Same case of a better player getting little love because he can't keep his mouth shut and just play basketball.

[seejaydeja]

bosh knows how to use the youtubes. bosh wins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7IZP7u9FE

[HolyToledo]

Bosh is a better defender than Boozer. but Boozer is better at everything else. With that said, I would give Bosh a long term contract over Boozer. Boozer's history is that he is injury prone and cannot be trusted to fullfill his entire contract. 1-3 year contract I take Boozer with 5 plus year contract I take Bosh.

[schneiderjazz]

Bosh is not a better player than Boozer IMO. He's younger, taller and, especially, less injury prone than Booz though. There's also the Boozer can't be trusted thing. That's why he's regarded as a max guy and Boozer isn't. On the court, I don't think there's any difference between them in terms of impact and contribution.

Other than his production on the court, you're in no position to know anything about Boozer. Yet you've decided (all the way from Brazil I might add), "that he can't be trusted??" It's guys like you that continue to fuel the trash mill!

You know, English is not my first language and my intention was not to say that I think Boozer can't be trusted. But that there's an opinion around the league and media that Boozer is all about money and that hurts his value. I'm not saying I agree with it, although when you look at his history, it does seem like they have a point. I still give him the benefit of doubt, since, like you said, I don't really know him. I've criticized Boozer a lot in the offseason, but it's obvious that we're a better team when he's at the top of his game. I wouldn't mind at all if the Jazz re-signed him at this moment, in fact, I'd probably think it would be a pretty good move.

What I can't understand though is your blind devotion for Carlos. The guy can do no wrong in your eyes. So, you either are a friend or relative of his and therefore have a biased opinion or you just choose to ignore his flaws, just like a lot of guys on the board ignore Deron's shortcomings.

[PimpHandStrong]

he is just that pussy PF of modern league. You need to go to the basket...to be really great.

You do realize Bosh is averaging just under 11 free throw attempts per game, right. Dude attacks the basket relentlessly.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Ya I would vote for Bosh over Booze unless Boozer keeps playing like he has been the last few games. Bosh is much more talented without a doubt, he can do everything Boozer can do and is much more athletic. Boozer has size but he doesn't always use very effectively so to argue that Boozers size gives him the edge is irrelevant. Bosh plays bigger than Boozer does

[Sloanfeld]

I'm as big of a Boozer guy as they come, and I hardly ever watch the Raptors, but Bosh was a beast during the Olympics and if that's his normal game I'd have to take him over my main man.

[StocktonShorts]

Based on the numbers, Boozer is a better rebounder, passer and a more efficient scorer, however he turns the ball over slightly more and Bosh has a better defensive rating.

From watching them play I think Boozer gives you more low-post scoring where Bosh "settles" for face-up jumpers a lot. I think in that regard Boozer is a better fit for the Jazz under Sloan's system. I'm not sure Jerry would know what to do if both his center and his PF were facing up and shooting 20-footers all night.

[StocktonShorts]

Rough night for Bosh tonight. 2 points on 2-4 from the line.

[erudite23]

he is just that pussy PF of modern league. You need to go to the basket...to be really great.

You do realize Bosh is averaging just under 11 free throw attempts per game, right. Dude attacks the basket relentlessly.

This. While Boozer has a much higher FG% and an even better FT%, Bosh's FT RATE, which at .62 is almost double that of Carlos' pedestrian .33, makes him nearly as efficient overall. The TS comparison of 57.1% (Bosh) to 60.7% (Boozer) are a better comparison. Still, the point remains that Boozer is a more efficient scorer. However, the flip side to that pancake is that Bosh creates far more offense than Boozer does. Thus, though Bosh is a decent bit less efficient, his overall offensive input is significantly more important to his team due to fact that creating offense is the most valuable trait a player can display.

Additionally, Boozer's TO rate of 11.6 dwarfs that of Bosh's 7.4.


This is the reason why Bosh has a PER of 26.75 while Boozer is sporting a 23.34. Still, Bosh's numbers are far higher than his career norms. Should his numbers regress to the mean, it would be much more fair to compare Boozer to him than it is now. In the past, they've been similar players. The difference is that a) Bosh has been incrementally better--when comparing both players' peaks--during the past 4 years, b) Bosh is younger and appears to still have much room for improvement, c) Bosh has the ability to be a much better defender than Booz, which he has begun to show since emerging as the de facto defensive stopper on the Redeem Team and d) Bosh has been significantly healthier over the same time frame we've been talking about.

Add all that up and that's the difference between a borderline superstar, which is where Bosh is right now, and a borderline star, which is where Boozer is right now.

Basically, if you go down the list of Boozer's main weaknesses as a player/asset it looks something like this:

1) Injury prone
2) Weak help/team defender
3) Maxed out his development


Bosh is everything Boozer is in many ways but with none of the above weaknesses. Boozer at his peak is a very, very good player. Bosh, if he continues to take that next step in his development, could be great. And those few small things put together are the difference. That's the margins at the NBA level.

[carrottop12]

Bosh>>>>>>>>Boozer.

Put Bosh in Sloan's system next to Okur, Deron, and Kirilenko and you have a real stud.

Bosh is averaging 25/12 right now, plus a block a game. Plus he misses fewer games.

What Boozer is doing right now is great, but he's never had this kind of production for an entire season, plus he consistently gets outplayed by other top PF's in the league, which isn't true with Bosh. If a deal ever came up Boozer for Bosh I'd be the happiest man in the world.

[erudite23]

I agree Bat, with 2 exceptions: 1) When has Boozer ever gotten outplayed by other top PFs? and 2) Boozer has had this kind of production for an entire season (with the obvious exception of his FG%) while Bosh is WELL above his career norms, so I think you have that one backwards.

Still, the point remains, Bosh is the significantly more valuable player and I do believe that he would be a monster in our system.

[tankster]

Rather pointless discussion. There's not enough difference between Bosh and Boozer to fill your watch pocket.............One thing though, that can be said with certainty.....They are the only two 20/10 players in the entire NBA!!

[OC Jazzfan]

Bosh has definitely got the edge when it comes to taking knees to the balls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyWlSj7dFVA

[Paper Face]

I will not be seduced into 5 more years of Boozer's on again/off again relationship with injuries that last the better part of a season. He is the opposite of a championship cornerstone. He is the opposite of clutch. He's only worth 60% of a max contract because that's ALL HE IS AVAILABLE FOR.

[boshjonesford]

BOSH OBVIOUSLY BETTER THEN BOOOOOZER .... dont belive me ask the other 29 boards