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Post#21 » by carrottop12 » Mon Nov 2, 2009 6:45 am

Meh, whatever. He wins games he shouldn't, he loses games he shouldn't. He's a coach in a players league.
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Post#22 » by StocktonShorts » Mon Nov 2, 2009 7:11 am

Paper Face wrote:Jackson inherited the same basic talent from Del Harris and made them into champions. This was the same squad that got swept by the Jazz in the WCF two years in a row.


I agree on Phil Jackson. But we're talking about a guy who may go down as the best NBA coach ever (and yeah, I realize how inflammatory that may be with some Jazz fans).

I truly believe that if you go back to 1991 and put Sloan as coach of the Bulls and Phil Jackson as coach of the Jazz, the Jazz would have at least two titles. But that doesn't say Sloan isn't a great coach, only that Phil Jackson is a better one.
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Post#23 » by outerspacefella » Mon Nov 2, 2009 2:48 pm

I really don't think Stockton, Malone, Hornacek would have been so great together if they were coached by Phil Jackson, and I'm convinced Jackson would have left such abunch a couple of years into it, when he realized they were so great... but not the best 4 or 5 superstars in basketball histoty...

Zen-dude is great, but he has coached the best, most complete and though players in the history of basketball (Jordan, Bryant) along with some of the most dominant (Shaq, Gasol) big men of modern basketball. He's a superstar coach, jet-set dude, and that's fine for Chicago, New York, LaLa-Land.

Anyway... coulda, woulda, shoulda....

The fact's Sloan epitomize the Utah Jazz... he and the Jazz are two yet the same... they're the father and the son, with the Miller's being the holy spirit...

They who don't realize how the Utah Jazz organization works... may be they would be better served rooting for some other teams out there... just saying... it would avoid you some pain....

Failing to understand or valorize Loyalty just doesn't bode well with the Utah Jazz being...

When Coach decides to retire, Johnson's the next in line if he wants the job. That's the way it is. We already know. Media already know. Everybody already know. Jazz fans should know.

With the Jazz is "a Championship the way it should be" or it's just not a Championship. To know and accept that with ease is a big part of rooting for the Jazz....
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Re: Sloan forever 

Post#24 » by idajazz » Mon Nov 2, 2009 3:07 pm

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ColdBlue wrote:Sloan's biggest strength is his biggest weakness. He is conservative to a fault. He doesn't allow dynamics of individual talent come into play. He relies on hardnosed play and teamwork to grind out wins.

He is good if not the best in that regard. He is a prototypical drill seargeant, and brings out the best in certain individuals, but handcuffs others. He follows a template and there is no deviation from it.

To call Sloan a bad coach is wrong, but to put him on a pedestal is wrong also. He is what he is, and this system will give you a solid base, but I think to win a championship, you need to a little bit of dynamic tact and flexibility to exploit strengths and minimize weaknesses.



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I would love to have a coach who would open up the offense a tad, and at least think about guarding the 3.
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Re: Sloan forever 

Post#25 » by kebutah » Mon Nov 2, 2009 4:07 pm

HammerDunk wrote:To all you A-holes who can't see a good thing when you have it, enjoy our years of mediocrity when he retires and we have a new guy. For us to get another coach as good as Sloan is very unlikely. Personally, I think he is a top 5 coach in the league easy right now. But keep whining, you'll see soon enough.


Apparently we have different definitions of mediocrity. In Sloan's 25 years of coaching (including Utah and Chicago) he is 1138-752 in the regular season, pretty good. His play off record in 19 trips is 93-94. In almost half of those years his team's were eliminated in the first round-nine times.

Approximately 50% of the teams make the playoffs and half of that time his teams were at the bottom of that group, by losing in the first round. to me it sound like we are fine in the regular season but pretty mediocre in the playoffs-when it really matters.
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Post#26 » by BarneyGumble » Mon Nov 2, 2009 9:28 pm

QuantumMacgyver wrote:Rick Adelman? I don't see how he could be considered better than Sloan. On par maybe but to say he is better would be a stretch. Anyway, here is my point: Most any coach in the league that you can try and say is better than Sloan has next to no chance of ever coming to coach in Utah. So we can either deal with Sloan, who is one of the all time best coaches, or we can risk being like the rest of the small market teams in the NBA. Bucks, Grizzlies, Bobcats, Timberwolves. See a trend here? With the exception of the Spurs and maybe one or two other teams, small market teams are typically pretty pathetic. Since we can't sign big name free agents we have to have a coach who can get the best out of average players. Sloan is undoubtably the best at doing so. Besides, the second Sloan leaves Phil Johnson will take over the reigns and our team will still play the exact same way.


Rick Adelman OWNS Sloan. I was advocating the Jazz getting him when we had our down year after Sacramento let him go. If you cant recognize what the guy does with inferior talent in THIS conference, last season ALONE....then you do not understand coaching, or the game. And when he had Drexler...he was beating US and getting to the Finals.
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Re: Sloan forever 

Post#27 » by stevebozell » Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:26 am

How can ANYBODY support another year for this guy after what you have seen so far?? Theyve clearly tuned him out, not to mention he has the biggest say in picking the players so he obviously messed up there too.

The one problem with making every decision, you cant blame anyone else.....either way you slice it (coaching or players), its Sloans fault.

He needs to go.
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Post#28 » by BarneyGumble » Tue Nov 3, 2009 9:22 pm

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QuantumMacgyver wrote:Rick Adelman? I don't see how he could be considered better than Sloan. On par maybe but to say he is better would be a stretch. Anyway, here is my point: Most any coach in the league that you can try and say is better than Sloan has next to no chance of ever coming to coach in Utah. So we can either deal with Sloan, who is one of the all time best coaches, or we can risk being like the rest of the small market teams in the NBA. Bucks, Grizzlies, Bobcats, Timberwolves. See a trend here? With the exception of the Spurs and maybe one or two other teams, small market teams are typically pretty pathetic. Since we can't sign big name free agents we have to have a coach who can get the best out of average players. Sloan is undoubtably the best at doing so. Besides, the second Sloan leaves Phil Johnson will take over the reigns and our team will still play the exact same way.


Rick Adelman OWNS Sloan. I was advocating the Jazz getting him when we had our down year after Sacramento let him go. If you cant recognize what the guy does with inferior talent in THIS conference, last season ALONE....then you do not understand coaching, or the game. And when he had Drexler...he was beating US and getting to the Finals.



Just thought I'd point out that I wrote these BEFORE Adelman's Rockets drubbed us at home last night...without a bonafide "star player" healthy on his team....
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Post#29 » by Nate505 » Wed Nov 4, 2009 8:03 am

DiscoLives4ever wrote:Sloan is the best we're going to get in Utah.

Please tell me that's not the case. Please, please, please, please, please, please tell me that can't be the case. Come on, I'm so close to giving up on basketball. I don't need this push over the ledge.
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Post#30 » by BarneyGumble » Wed Nov 4, 2009 10:14 pm

Saying Sloan is the best we can get is loser talk. The guy who said that probably is married to a 400lb wooly-mammoth woman.....
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Post#32 » by JDubJazz » Thu Dec 3, 2009 1:28 am

sigh. If you judge Sloan by his performance since 2002 (7 years), what exactly has he done to deserve his job? Sloan is getting by on reputation alone. I really feel he is a poor fit for this team. The Jazz will remain solid and steady, but under his tutelage, they will never excel.
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Post#33 » by seejaydeja » Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:21 am

sloans gonna bring da ship to utah 10-11 and yall gonna eat crow
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Post#34 » by Paper Face » Thu Dec 3, 2009 5:54 am

Sloan forever.
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Post#35 » by carrottop12 » Thu Dec 3, 2009 6:17 am

JDubJazz wrote:sigh. If you judge Sloan by his performance since 2002 (7 years), what exactly has he done to deserve his job? Sloan is getting by on reputation alone. I really feel he is a poor fit for this team. The Jazz will remain solid and steady, but under his tutelage, they will never excel.


After loosing two hall of famers and top 20 players of all time, he took a team that was projected to have the fewest wins in NBA history to a 42-40 record, then took a team that had only been together for 2 years to the WCF and has made the playoffs every year since.

Seems like he's doing alright.
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Post#36 » by HammerDunk » Thu Dec 3, 2009 7:04 am

Good. I hope he proves all you naysayers wrong. Utah sports fans are just too ridiculous in their expectations of things, and it shows with how people whine about Sloan. If you don't think Sloan could have coached Jordan and Pippin, Kobe and Shaq to championships, then you are out of your minds.
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