2 minutes into the season and i want them gone

[kombayn]

2 minutes into the season and I want Mike Dunleavy gone.

[PlinkingPanda]

2 minutes into the season and I want Mike Dunleavy gone.

We're all with you on that.

[PerkinsFor3]

50+ games into the season and I still want Kaman gone. He's the west coast Lopez. Empty stats, and even worse: he's been looking so much worse (called it) since Camby left.

Then again, the whole teams looks wack. Gooden actually looks like he tries. BD just doesnt do it. Gordon looks passive and leveled out. Kaman is still an idiot. Actually the only guys who I see part of a winning team any time soon are the srubby guys like Smith and Butler. These guys would fit well on the bench for a winning team. The rest just looks uninspired, lame, passive or dumb.

[PerkinsFor3]

and lets see if we can still blame the recent slump on dunleavy. we've been 10 times worse since he left. so it looks like his coaching actually helped our team instead of hurting it.

[supfoo]

50+ games into the season and I still want Kaman gone. He's the west coast Lopez. Empty stats, and even worse: he's been looking so much worse (called it) since Camby left.

empty stats? how so? he's probably one of the best back-to-the-basket post players in league and one of the most consistent players on our team. there's a lot of claims about kaman you make here in this thread that doesn't match up with game tape. he's not the best center in the league but he's the least of this team's problems.

[PerkinsFor3]

you calling him consistent shows me you havent been paying attention.

[supfoo]

his play from game-to-game is more consistent than any other player's on the clippers, except maybe gordon and gooden. both gametape and basic box score stats support this. i agree with the general notion here that he makes boneheaded decisions here and there in-between his performances but it's still less than davis's mistakes, butler's, jordan's, etc...basically anyone not gooden or gordon. again, not the best at his position or even close but much more impressive than how you describe him. along with those boneheaded offensive plays and defensive lapses of his, you fail to mention any of his positive traits as if they fail to exist. but i can see you don't want a discussion here as much as you want to voice your opinions unabashed. have fun.

[PerkinsFor3]

Davis is very very inconsistent, agreed. Deandre is 16 years old. Butler is a scrub. The whole team is a mess. I never said it wasn't. What I did say is that Kaman has a lot of trade value, doesnt bring as much as you'd like him to do (although paired with Camby he did do well), and basically is not a strong player mentally.

Pre All-Star 49.5 fg% 8.9reb 1.4blk 20.0 pts
Post All-Star 46.4 fg% 9.6 reb 0.7blk 15.3 pts

That's a very big difference for an 'all star caliber' player. Camby made him look much better than he actually is.

[thanumba2clippersfan]

Maybe Kaman just needs to be paired with someone that will hid his flaws. Not everyone is a perfect player, he was pretty effective when we had Brand. So way may just need to have a solid defensive minded PF. I really wish that we would have kept Camby, but I do like what Blake brings to the team.

[illastrate]

Maybe Kaman just needs to be paired with someone that will hid his flaws. Not everyone is a perfect player, he was pretty effective when we had Brand. So way may just need to have a solid defensive minded PF. I really wish that we would have kept Camby, but I do like what Blake brings to the team.

That someone is LeBron. Kaman would turn into Big Z, which is a good thing. All he has to do is rebound, block shots, and get open up for the midrange J. LBJ and him would run pick and pops all day. Of course it probably won't happen, but would be nice if it did.

[PerkinsFor3]

Wes Johnson would be a good fit too, we're relying solely on Butler and Gordon for outside shots now. And BD. Two of those are unreliable and one is taking a backseat.

[bww78]

Listen, at some point you have to accurately assess what kind of team you have. Is it a rebuilder, an up-and-comer, or a contender. Obviously, we aren't a contender right now, and I would argue we're not an up-and-comer. To be labeled an up-and-comer, you have to actually, you know, improve year after year.

So that leaves us with the cold, hard truth that we're rebuilders. And as rebuilders, we have no need to hang on to older, expensive players like Baron. Keep Gordon, keep Griffin, let's build around these guys. But why hang on to Baron, or even Kaman? Are they part of the rebuilding plan?

[supfoo]

Davis is very very inconsistent, agreed. Deandre is 16 years old. Butler is a scrub. The whole team is a mess. I never said it wasn't. What I did say is that Kaman has a lot of trade value, doesnt bring as much as you'd like him to do (although paired with Camby he did do well), and basically is not a strong player mentally.

Pre All-Star 49.5 fg% 8.9reb 1.4blk 20.0 pts
Post All-Star 46.4 fg% 9.6 reb 0.7blk 15.3 pts

That's a very big difference for an 'all star caliber' player. Camby made him look much better than he actually is.

those were all just specific examples. i was just pointing out that he's one of the most consistent players on this team right now. he's got some glaring issues that were masked a bit better with camby since camby was the primary help-defender/shot-blocker but really, he's still one of the better centers in the league. i agree that he has trade value, but he certainly brings a lot to this team (15/9 is damned good for a big man, and take into further consideration that this is a period where he's playing worse than usual) and "mental strength" kinda sounds like term "heart" in that it's mostly rhetoric that can't be proved quantitatively. just in general though, i think you're focusing on his weaknesses a little too much.