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Tracy McGrady? 

Post#1 » by DeShaunRed » Sat Dec 5, 2009 10:47 am

Just curious actually.

Trade ID #5311463

NJ trades:
Eduardo Najera, Bobby Simmons (exp) and Tony Battie (exp), '10 2nd pick and future 1st pick

HOU trades:
Tracy McGrady (huge exp)

Why NJ do this?
- It's quite a risk but Tmac is on contract year. Should be able to bring W's and tickets ONCE he finds his game anew. If things does not work, Nets can let him walk and find/lure a free agent superstar.

Why HOU do this?
- Adelman does not want to ruin the chemistry going on. They trade Tmac for a handful of serviceable players in return for a deeper lineup. Also, they get expiring deals.

Didn't have enough time to research further but feel free to bash away. :)
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Post#2 » by Preludepunk27 » Sat Dec 5, 2009 1:39 pm

The idea had been thrown around this board every now and then for the last year. In this deal though, Houston is never getting a 1st round pick in a deal for T-Mac anymore especially if they're just using him for the expiring. At best you may be able to nab guy drafted round 1 that a team would rather have off the team (see: Sean Williams), but you're never gonna get a future 1st from a team. Nobody even knows how T-Mac will be when he starts playing again.
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Post#3 » by HotShots » Sat Dec 5, 2009 3:27 pm

I was thinking the same thing after I read this:

Tracy McGrady would probably be traded for a 30-pack of Miller Lite by the Rockets, but I doubt anyone is willing to give up 30 cold beers for him right now. Along those same lines, the Rockets seem unwilling to let T-Mac come back in and disrupt their chemistry right now, as the Rockets are kind of rolling along at 11-8 (and three straight wins).

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NBA&columnid=45&articleid=34271

But Houston wants expiring contracts. They dont want any contracts that run into the next season. They'll just ride it out with T-MAC if they cant get expiring contracts. I swapped out Najera and put in Alston. And throw in Dallas's 1st round since we are not giving them any young players. You got to give something for T-Mac. Otherwise they'll just ride it out till the end of the season with him.

Trade ID #5311671

T-MAC is looking for new contract. Thats why he is forcing the issue to play. If he had 3 more years on his contract, he'd never complain about playin.
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Post#4 » by Preludepunk27 » Sat Dec 5, 2009 4:49 pm

HotShots wrote:I was thinking the same thing after I read this:

Tracy McGrady would probably be traded for a 30-pack of Miller Lite by the Rockets, but I doubt anyone is willing to give up 30 cold beers for him right now. Along those same lines, the Rockets seem unwilling to let T-Mac come back in and disrupt their chemistry right now, as the Rockets are kind of rolling along at 11-8 (and three straight wins).

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=NBA&columnid=45&articleid=34271

But Houston wants expiring contracts. They dont want any contracts that run into the next season. They'll just ride it out with T-MAC if they cant get expiring contracts. I swapped out Najera and put in Alston. And throw in Dallas's 1st round since we are not giving them any young players. You got to give something for T-Mac. Otherwise they'll just ride it out till the end of the season with him.

Trade ID #5311671

T-MAC is looking for new contract. Thats why he is forcing the issue to play. If he had 3 more years on his contract, he'd never complain about playin.


I'd give 2 seconds. They're seriously not getting a 1st from me unless they're prying it from my cold dead hands. We denounced SWAT so he is an expiring too, which is why he can be put into the deal. He'll get some playing time in Houston and hopefully play himself into a small, but decently long contract.

Even if it's a late or heavily protected first, I'm not ok with that. We'd basically be doing this move to kind of consolidate our expirings. The only way I think we'd do this is if we swung an earlier deal that gave of more players than we were sending out and needed some roster spots.

I don't know. I actually like T-Mac. I'd be willing to offer him a contract his offseason if it wasn't too expensive (as talented as he is, I wouldn't even offer him the MLE if he's as slow as bobby simmons now thanks to his knee problems), but we have better options with our money and we can get better players without giving up a 1st rounder so why would we give one up for t-mac?
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Post#5 » by HotShots » Sat Dec 5, 2009 5:01 pm

You got to give them something. Youth or first rounder. First rounder doesnt guarantee Houston anything. Especially giving them Dallas's first rounder........it could end up being a marcus williams or a antoine wright. There is no guarantee of what you'll get with a first rounder. Not like when you trade a young guy who has played in the NBA. You at least have an idea of what the guy can do.
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Post#6 » by Preludepunk27 » Sat Dec 5, 2009 5:20 pm

HotShots wrote:You got to give them something. Youth or first rounder. First rounder doesnt guarantee Houston anything. Especially giving them Dallas's first rounder........it could end up being a marcus williams or a antoine wright. There is no guarantee of what you'll get with a first rounder. Not like when you trade a young guy who has played in the NBA. You at least have an idea of what the guy can do.


It could also end up being Josh Howard or David Lee another decent player drafted in the mid-late 20s. The point you are missing is that we are giving them flexibility. We are providing them with high character expirings to increase their depth for this season (which they need rather badly) without them losing their cap flexibility. Sean Williams and this summer's 2nd rounder (since I doubt we'll use it) is all they're getting from me, and I honestly don't think T-Mac is worth that. If we want him, we can continue to suck, get a high draft pick and see if we can sign him in the off season.

Bottom line for me is: You only give up first rounder, no matter where that first rounder is, for an expiring if you can sign him to the extension during the season. If that doesn't happen and you lose the player in free agency, you're in a worse position than you started. You still have the cap room you originally had, but now you need to fill 1 more roster spot than expected and you lost a 1st rounder as well.
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Post#7 » by NetsForce » Sat Dec 5, 2009 5:30 pm

I'm curious as to see how much T-Pain will command in the offseason if he doesn't play a single game this season.
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Post#8 » by fishtheman04 » Mon Dec 7, 2009 12:22 am

McGradey/Dorsey for Alston/Simmons/Najera

I would do that but no to any trade involving draft picks unless its a late 2nd rounder
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Post#9 » by xingjianma » Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:36 am

Houston does any of these why??

None of Alston, Simmons, Najera or Battie would have a place in their rotation.
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Post#10 » by NetsForce » Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:53 am

^ I agree that Houston wouldn't do the trade ^

But it does save them money and from all reports McGrady and Dorsey don't have a spot in their rotation either :D
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Post#11 » by deviljets7 » Mon Dec 7, 2009 1:57 pm

Unless Najera is involved, there is absolutely zero reason to bring in TMac. Bringing a hobbled TMac to a 65-loss caliber team is not going to bring any more fans here.

The idea of giving up any type of picks (and not ditching Najera) for TMac is extremely stupid.
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Post#12 » by NetsForce » Mon Dec 7, 2009 3:47 pm

T-Mac has a lot of experience losing though, he could really give this team a lot of good insight / tips on how to lose with style.
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Post#13 » by xingjianma » Mon Dec 7, 2009 4:22 pm

Haha, the way I see it there really is no reason either side does this. Nets don't really need any cap relief, and since they don't need the big expiring they aren't going to throw anything enticing in for the Rockets.
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Post#14 » by DumbyTheWizard » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:09 pm

Is Najera gurenteed 2.5 Mill of the 3 Mill or 0.5 Mill of the 3 Mill for next year? I couldent understand it exactly...
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Post#15 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:21 pm

deviljets7 wrote:Unless Najera is involved, there is absolutely zero reason to bring in TMac. Bringing a hobbled TMac to a 65-loss caliber team is not going to bring any more fans here.

The idea of giving up any type of picks (and not ditching Najera) for TMac is extremely stupid.


Thank you. I touched base on some of this, but not everyone seems to understand this.
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Post#16 » by Preludepunk27 » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:24 pm

DumbyTheWizard wrote:Is Najera gurenteed 2.5 Mill of the 3 Mill or 0.5 Mill of the 3 Mill for next year? I couldent understand it exactly...


Najera has a bigger buyout this offseason then a smaller one after the 10-11 season. I think it's $2.5 Million this off season and $500K after next season.

Keyon Doolins is the one that has a $500K buyout after this season.
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