MVP Rankings 1.0

Original Baller · Post #241 » by **Original Baller** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 8:53 pm

its way way way to early to say who definitively leading the MVP race right now

I think the best that can be said is that Kobe, LeBron, and Melo are leading with Nash and Dirk as possible other candidates. In the end I think it'll come down with the team that finishes with the best record. I highly doubt any player really separates himself from the pack with dominant performances.

Melo / Nash / Dirk's only chance is if they win the West. If they do, he's MVP.

LeBron needs to finish with the best record like last year, and he's MVP.

Kobe because he has the best team probably has to clear a higher hurdle. I think the best record alone won't get it done. If the Lakers win 67+ games I think he'd have it.

Bgil · Post #242 » by **Bgil** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 9:19 pm

Let's say The Nuggets, Lakers, and Cavs all end the season tied for the best record. Who gets MVP? I think it's Carmelo.

Post #243 » by **snaquille oatmeal** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 9:44 pm

Bgil wrote:Let's say The Nuggets, Lakers, and Cavs all end the season tied for the best record. Who gets MVP? I think it's Carmelo.

how can you judge on games that have not been played yet?

judge on games that are on the books already.

Cavs- 14-5
Nuggs- 14-5
Lakers- 15-3

Lionel Messi · Post #244 » by **Lionel Messi** » Sat Dec 5, 2009 10:12 pm

snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Bgil wrote:Let's say The Nuggets, Lakers, and Cavs all end the season tied for the best record. Who gets MVP? I think it's Carmelo.

how can you judge on games that have not been played yet?

judge on games that are on the books already.

Cavs- 14-5
Nuggs- 14-5
Lakers- 15-3

If they are tied id give it to Kobe, then Lebron, then Wade, then Melo

Bgil · Post #245 » by **Bgil** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 5:28 am

Melo seems to be the best story at this point.

Post #246 » by **MHZ** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 6:15 am

Lionel Messi wrote:
snaquille oatmeal wrote:
Bgil wrote:Let's say The Nuggets, Lakers, and Cavs all end the season tied for the best record. Who gets MVP? I think it's Carmelo.

how can you judge on games that have not been played yet?

judge on games that are on the books already.

Cavs- 14-5
Nuggs- 14-5
Lakers- 15-3

If they are tied id give it to Kobe, then Lebron, then Wade, then Melo

I like how not only does a hypothetical "all teams have the same record" say nothing about individual value, but the Heat weren't even one of the teams hypothetically tied. And yet, somehow, based on a worse record and completely unknown stats, Wade deserves the MVP more than Carmelo. Hooray for almost beating the Lakers!

Post #247 » by **MHZ** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 6:23 am

Bgil wrote:Melo seems to be the best story at this point.

And not that I endorse it, because I don't, that is a major part of the MVP award. Realistically, Michael Jordan should have a ton more than he has. 96-97, for instance, he was better than Karl Malone in just about every statistic that matters, and had a better team record, and yet, Malone won the MVP because it was a better story. It's stupid, but it's an award voted on by people swayed by stories.

If the Nuggets win 60 or more games, and Melo continues at a similar pace to what he's at, there's a very good chance he wins it. I'm not saying that's how it should be, I'm not saying he's the best player in the league. That's just how it is.

Right now, he deserves to be a top 3 candidate. Personally, I put him ahead of Kobe, because his team needs more out of him than the Lakers do. Nash was a nice story, but I just don't see him ahead of Melo/Dirk/LeBron/Kobe (in no particular order).

TAI8 · Post #248 » by **TAI8** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 8:06 am

At this point Anthony has more going for him in the MVP discussion than Wade..Anyone who says otherwise is clearly going by past reputation and not opening his eyes to reality..Wade has regressed THAT much..

JimMurray · Post #249 » by **JimMurray** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 10:06 am

Bgil wrote:Melo seems to be the best story at this point.

Not even close, Nash is the best story...and I hate Nash.

JimMurray · Post #250 » by **JimMurray** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 10:09 am

wone wrote:At this point Anthony has more going for him in the MVP discussion than Wade..Anyone who says otherwise is clearly going by past reputation and not opening his eyes to reality..Wade has regressed THAT much..

Wade can't be seriously considered at this point, he's playing terrible. Most Heat fans would agree with this. You can't shoot 42% and be considered an MVP candidate.

YLSKillaCam · Post #251 » by **YLSKillaCam** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 3:12 pm

MHZ wrote:
Bgil wrote:Melo seems to be the best story at this point.

And not that I endorse it, because I don't, that is a major part of the MVP award. Realistically, Michael Jordan should have a ton more than he has. 96-97, for instance, he was better than Karl Malone in just about every statistic that matters, and had a better team record, and yet, Malone won the MVP because it was a better story. It's stupid, but it's an award voted on by people swayed by stories.

If the Nuggets win 60 or more games, and Melo continues at a similar pace to what he's at, there's a very good chance he wins it. I'm not saying that's how it should be, I'm not saying he's the best player in the league. That's just how it is.

Right now, he deserves to be a top 3 candidate. Personally, I put him ahead of Kobe, because his team needs more out of him than the Lakers do. Nash was a nice story, but I just don't see him ahead of Melo/Dirk/LeBron/Kobe (in no particular order).

You're silly. All the Nuggets need out of Melo is to score. Chauncey runs the offense. Kobe does more for the Lakers now than he's ever done before (and does more for the Lakers than Melo does for Nuggets when u factor in running the offense, leadership, and defense). Just because it doesn't show up on the boxscore doesn't mean he isn't doing it.

Besides, the Lakers expectations is that the Lakers are championship contenders. They can't do that without Kobe being Kobe. So the Lakers need Kobe just as much as the Nuggets need Melo.

D Nice · Post #252 » by **D Nice** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 4:20 pm

Still a 3-person conversation, but right now Melo has picked up right where he left of last year proving he's capable of being a Kobe/Lebron/Wade (at least offensively) while Wade is struggling despite his teammates elevating their level of play (JO has looked GREAT this year).

Lebron, Kobe, Melo are the only real candidates so far IMO. Dirk and Nash have stolen enough MVPs from Kobe and Lebron already. If Wade ever kicks it back in gear he'll obviously be a serious candidate too.

HouMac · Post #253 » by **HouMac** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 4:28 pm

YLSKillaCam wrote:Kobe does more for the Lakers now than he's ever done before.

WTF?!? This is arguably the most talented LAKER team he's been on since '99, and you're trying to sell ^that comment? Please.

Kariya · Post #254 » by **Kariya** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 6:53 pm

Keyon Dooling.

Nets win % with him = 100

Nets win% without = 0

Cthulhu · Post #255 » by **Cthulhu** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 7:17 pm

D Nice wrote:Still a 3-person conversation, but right now Melo has picked up right where he left of last year proving he's capable of being a Kobe/Lebron/Wade (at least offensively) while Wade is struggling despite his teammates elevating their level of play (JO has looked GREAT this year).

Lebron, Kobe, Melo are the only real candidates so far IMO. Dirk and Nash have stolen enough MVPs from Kobe and Lebron already. If Wade ever kicks it back in gear he'll obviously be a serious candidate too.

Stolen?

Dirk's MVP was plenty legitimate and he had a strong case to win it the year before when Nash did. I guess 24/9 on 50/40/90 shooting (20/50/40/90 club, only been done by Bird, Rick Barry and Dirk), leading the NBA in PER and win shares, oh and winning 67 games, is "stealing"? :-?

Greatness · Post #256 » by **Greatness** » Sun Dec 6, 2009 10:41 pm

Kariya wrote:Keyon Dooling.

Nets win % with him = 100

Nets win% without = 0

We have a winner.

MasterRyu · Post #257 » by **MasterRyu** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 5:08 am

HouMac wrote:
YLSKillaCam wrote:Kobe does more for the Lakers now than he's ever done before.

WTF?!? This is arguably the most talented LAKER team he's been on since '99, and you're trying to sell ^that comment? Please.

Uh are you serious?

2004 lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton, Grant, and even Luke Walton. Clearly more talented than this year's team.

That's three hall -of-famers in one team right there.

That Nicka · Post #258 » by **That Nicka** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:19 am

Kobe's gotta be MVP so far...

As for the previous page, if Lakers, Cavs, Nuggets finish with the same record then I give it to Carmelo as well

LebronsCavs · Post #259 » by **LebronsCavs** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 6:56 am

MasterRyu wrote:
HouMac wrote:
YLSKillaCam wrote:Kobe does more for the Lakers now than he's ever done before.

WTF?!? This is arguably the most talented LAKER team he's been on since '99, and you're trying to sell ^that comment? Please.

Uh are you serious?

2004 lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton, Grant, and even Luke Walton. Clearly more talented than this year's team.

That's three hall -of-famers in one team right there.

Lol, I really hope this post was a joke. Malone and Payton were a shell of their former selves. Shaq was a bit past his prime. Gasol + Bynum>>>>Shaq. Odom + Artest >>> Malone + Payton. The rest of the supporting casts favor '09 too. And LMAO at Kobe doing more now than ever before, that sig worthy. He could not shoot all game and they would coast.

Deuce33 · Post #260 » by **Deuce33** » Mon Dec 7, 2009 7:37 am

You know, I don't agree with the 2004 team being more talented than this current Laker team but I do agree with the whole "Kobe is doing more now" argument as far as leadership is concerned. The guy is CONSTANTLY talking any communicating with his team on the court directing them into their spots on defense AND offense. Even on the sidelines he's still talking and trying to devise plays for his teammates and trying to keep them aggressive. At the end of the day Kobe may not have to do as much physically as he had to do before but mentally as far as educating, motivating, and leading these guys he's had to do a hell of a lot more.