magic sac trade

[OGSactownballer]

I agree on both Pryzbilla and Foster being far better options than Gortat. I just think that if he was really that good, then he would be being played alognside Howard more to get the effectiveness of having both on the floor together.

[darkadun]

I like Pryzbilla the best out of all of them.

[XeOnagain]

Am I the only one that finds Gortat a bit overrated?

Yeah yeah, he played solidly during the playoffs but I get the impression that he is only a solid role player and not a starter for any team. Is he better than a guy like Joel Przybilla? I much rather him than Gortat IMO.

I like Jeff Foster more than Gortat.

DENIED !

1st of all Gorat is average & overpaid for an average player !
2nd the topic is not who is overpaid on the KINGS is it ? If it were i would be inclined to agree with you on 1 or 2 of the names you mentioned that said again the topic is Gorat not who is on the KINGS roster ! I for 1 do not want any average player with an overpaid contract !
I for 1 dont want a scrub on our team & I for 1 would love to see a great trade for the KINGS but i dont want to trade just for the sake of trading !

Anytime a trade is done it should be for the greater good of the team for years to come.....

these comments show that you guys just don't watch anything besides NBA. just check out his Eurobasket 2009 stats, it was 15 ppg and 11 rpg, 2 bpg.(gasol was 18-8) he showed nice touch around the rim. shot over %55. no way orlando trades him for Beno. SMills91 i like your a die hard fan of Sacto, but come on now. Gortat is a good center and watching him in Eurobasket i'd say that he can be a good NBA center given the touches and minutes. he is a solid C, who is young and hungry for minutes. just please watch some of his games before talking about him like you know everything.

[deNIEd]

Because all three of those players have produced at a certain level whereas Gortat really hasn't. You can say that Beno, Noc are overpaid, whatever, but Gortat easily is a worse contract that either. 5 years at the FULL MLE for a guy that rebounds a few and blocks a shot or two and gives you very little else. I understand big men are more at a premium and that eases the contract some, but that just makes it a non-Jerome Jamesesque contract.

All I would offer is Beno for Gortat(for roster balance purposes), and even then, I think we're getting screwed in the talent aspect of the trade.

Defense?

You have to actually watch people play instead of look at boxscores. Everytime Gortat get's minutes, he produces. He is an incredible rebounder and an incredible shot blocker...aka a defensive big...aka something every team in the league lacks.

You put Beno behind CP3 or Noc behind Lebron or Garcia behind Kobe, and their production is the exact same as Gortat's. Have you ever even seen the guy play?

[deNIEd]

DENIED !

1st of all Gorat is average & overpaid for an average player !
2nd the topic is not who is overpaid on the KINGS is it ? If it were i would be inclined to agree with you on 1 or 2 of the names you mentioned that said again the topic is Gorat not who is on the KINGS roster ! I for 1 do not want any average player with an overpaid contract !
I for 1 dont want a scrub on our team & I for 1 would love to see a great trade for the KINGS but i dont want to trade just for the sake of trading !

Anytime a trade is done it should be for the greater good of the team for years to come.....

If Gortat is an average player, what does that make 80% of the Kings? Beno, Nocioni, Garcia, Hawes?
The reason I brought up King's players, is because I have seen many people, yourself included, proclaim that our player's contracts not that bad. And that they deserve it and are quality guys...whereas a guy that is on the same level at the very least (IMO Gortat is much better and a much more valuable skillset) as a "bad contract." It's hypocritical.

Gortat would drastically improve the King's. He'd easily earn the starting job over our current wall of nerf. You are seriously underrating Gortat and overrating King's players.

[Smills91]

Because all three of those players have produced at a certain level whereas Gortat really hasn't. You can say that Beno, Noc are overpaid, whatever, but Gortat easily is a worse contract that either. 5 years at the FULL MLE for a guy that rebounds a few and blocks a shot or two and gives you very little else. I understand big men are more at a premium and that eases the contract some, but that just makes it a non-Jerome Jamesesque contract.

All I would offer is Beno for Gortat(for roster balance purposes), and even then, I think we're getting screwed in the talent aspect of the trade.

Defense?

You have to actually watch people play instead of look at boxscores. Everytime Gortat get's minutes, he produces. He is an incredible rebounder and an incredible shot blocker...aka a defensive big...aka something every team in the league lacks.

You put Beno behind CP3 or Noc behind Lebron or Garcia behind Kobe, and their production is the exact same as Gortat's. Have you ever even seen the guy play?

While I haven't watch 82 games a year from Gortat, I've seen him play a multitude of times. He is what he is...a back-up Center in the NBA. He'll rebound and block a shot or two, and get soem opportunistic scoring chances, but my comments are based on that I think Foster is just as capable of handling that role for a FRACTION of the cost(as he's about to expire and won't sniff anything near the full MLE).

[deNIEd]

While I haven't watch 82 games a year from Gortat, I've seen him play a multitude of times. He is what he is...a back-up Center in the NBA. He'll rebound and block a shot or two, and get soem opportunistic scoring chances, but my comments are based on that I think Foster is just as capable of handling that role for a FRACTION of the cost(as he's about to expire and won't sniff anything near the full MLE).

Gortat is in the same league as Beno, Nocioni, and Garcia. All of them are above average bench players, yet, on the bottom of the barrel starters.

I'm not saying I wouldn't rather have Foster or Pryzbilla, it's just I'm skeptical at what it will take to net either player...both I believe will require more than simply Nocioni, which is what the OP originally proposed. That's all.

[Smills91]

While I haven't watch 82 games a year from Gortat, I've seen him play a multitude of times. He is what he is...a back-up Center in the NBA. He'll rebound and block a shot or two, and get soem opportunistic scoring chances, but my comments are based on that I think Foster is just as capable of handling that role for a FRACTION of the cost(as he's about to expire and won't sniff anything near the full MLE).

Gortat is in the same league as Beno, Nocioni, and Garcia. All of them are above average bench players, yet, on the bottom of the barrel starters.

I'm not saying I wouldn't rather have Foster or Pryzbilla, it's just I'm skeptical at what it will take to net either player...both I believe will require more than simply Nocioni, which is what the OP originally proposed. That's all.

Fair enough, I just think your opinion is a little(just a little though) over infatuated with Gortat. His level of performance in the NBA hasn't been anywhere near that of even Beno, let alone Noc or Garcia, IMO.
I think you've been drinking a lil bit of Cammo's Kool-Aid.

[pillwenney]

I don't know, I think maybe you're underrating the importance of a strong defensive big. They're not as common as many would assume, and they're very valuable when they play. Foster would be really nice in many ways, but I'd rather have Gortat for a couple of reasons--age and shotblocking. Foster is a good, scrappy post defender, and an outstanding rebounder, but he's never been any kind of shotblocking presence.

Gortat has, and Gortat is also a really nice post defender, which, to be honest is a bigger need for us even than a shotblocker at this point. I actually think Spencer and Jason are doing a decent job at deterring players away from the basket as shotblockers right now. But both are pretty bad post defenders, particularly in the wrong matchups. Spencer has yet to figure out any kind of way to deal with guys that are just bigger than him, and Jason inevitably gets into foul trouble. I don't think there are any real shut-down post defenders in the league right now, but Gortat is a damn solid one.

If we can get him by merely giving up another role player, I would absolutely do it. Unfortunately, I don't know how likely that is. Orlando really has no need for Noc at all, and arguably not even that much of a need for Beno. Jameer will be back soon enough, and J-Will is doing a fine enough job filling in for him in the mean time.

[Smills91]

I don't know, I think maybe you're underrating the importance of a strong defensive big. They're not as common as many would assume, and they're very valuable when they play. Foster would be really nice in many ways, but I'd rather have Gortat for a couple of reasons--age and shotblocking. Foster is a good, scrappy post defender, and an outstanding rebounder, but he's never been any kind of shotblocking presence.

Gortat has, and Gortat is also a really nice post defender, which, to be honest is a bigger need for us even than a shotblocker at this point. I actually think Spencer and Jason are doing a decent job at deterring players away from the basket as shotblockers right now. But both are pretty bad post defenders, particularly in the wrong matchups. Spencer has yet to figure out any kind of way to deal with guys that are just bigger than him, and Jason inevitably gets into foul trouble. I don't think there are any real shut-down post defenders in the league right now, but Gortat is a damn solid one.

If we can get him by merely giving up another role player, I would absolutely do it. Unfortunately, I don't know how likely that is. Orlando really has no need for Noc at all, and arguably not even that much of a need for Beno. Jameer will be back soon enough, and J-Will is doing a fine enough job filling in for him in the mean time.

That's definitely a factor, but at FULL MLE money, I want more out of that defensive big center. I want him to come in and get me 6-8 rebounds every 20 minutes he's in the game. I want 1-2 blocked shots, but at FULL MLE money, I want him to have the semblance of offensive IQ. Even Varejao can put in 8-10 points in off the bench.

In fact, I think Varejao is the level of a MLE back-up big man(I think he's curently grossly overpaid for what he does).

Like I said, I'd probably swap Beno(MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE PLAYER) for him, and I might THINK about Noc(and only accept if there weren't other options and because it's such a glaring need for our roster), but I wouldn't give up Thomas' expiring for him...I dunno. I just think sometimes, defensive centers that are 1 or 2 trick ponies(and not EXCELLENT in those 1-2 tricks like Big Ben in his prime) are just very overrated at times on these boards.

I like well-rounded players, and vet specialists get vet min-3 mill a year depending on their caliber of a player.

[dozencousins]

Denied !

You must be as ignorant as your response to me i have never proclaimed that everyone on our roster has good contracts on the contrary i have said many times that we have at least 3-4 bad ones

k9 was & is bad however he holds great value in terms that he has a big expiring
nociani is overpaid however most years his salary goes down most years & his final year is a team option
beno is overpaid no doubt but at least he improving a ton from last year
garcia i think we overpaid him though he is injured right now but i still believe we gave him to much

You obviously show a great lack of intelligent & you dont seem to have much insight either honestly i see in most cases you try to attempt to argue with myself & smills alot honestly though who cares you just make yourself look worse & worse

Gorat does not suck however he is average at best & his contract is a bad one & for to may years that is not to say we dont have some bad ones "that said " we dont need to add more & more bad ones ala GORAT .

DENIED HAS BEEN DENIED !!!!!!!!!!!!

[pillwenney]

I don't know, I think maybe you're underrating the importance of a strong defensive big. They're not as common as many would assume, and they're very valuable when they play. Foster would be really nice in many ways, but I'd rather have Gortat for a couple of reasons--age and shotblocking. Foster is a good, scrappy post defender, and an outstanding rebounder, but he's never been any kind of shotblocking presence.

Gortat has, and Gortat is also a really nice post defender, which, to be honest is a bigger need for us even than a shotblocker at this point. I actually think Spencer and Jason are doing a decent job at deterring players away from the basket as shotblockers right now. But both are pretty bad post defenders, particularly in the wrong matchups. Spencer has yet to figure out any kind of way to deal with guys that are just bigger than him, and Jason inevitably gets into foul trouble. I don't think there are any real shut-down post defenders in the league right now, but Gortat is a damn solid one.

If we can get him by merely giving up another role player, I would absolutely do it. Unfortunately, I don't know how likely that is. Orlando really has no need for Noc at all, and arguably not even that much of a need for Beno. Jameer will be back soon enough, and J-Will is doing a fine enough job filling in for him in the mean time.

That's definitely a factor, but at FULL MLE money, I want more out of that defensive big center. I want him to come in and get me 6-8 rebounds every 20 minutes he's in the game. I want 1-2 blocked shots, but at FULL MLE money, I want him to have the semblance of offensive IQ. Even Varejao can put in 8-10 points in off the bench.

In fact, I think Varejao is the level of a MLE back-up big man(I think he's curently grossly overpaid for what he does).

Like I said, I'd probably swap Beno(MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE PLAYER) for him, and I might THINK about Noc(and only accept if there weren't other options and because it's such a glaring need for our roster), but I wouldn't give up Thomas' expiring for him...I dunno. I just think sometimes, defensive centers that are 1 or 2 trick ponies(and not EXCELLENT in those 1-2 tricks like Big Ben in his prime) are just very overrated at times on these boards.

I like well-rounded players, and vet specialists get vet min-3 mill a year depending on their caliber of a player.

Varejao also often tries to do things that he just can't do offensively, and he's not really an interior presence in terms of shotblocking. Yeah he'll draw charges, but that just doesn't have the same defensive effect.

Gortat doesn't score much, but he can finish around the basket, and that's all we would really want from that spot. How many times have we seen Spencer or Jason miss easy shots around the basket this year? Finishing is often taken as a given by some people, but it's really not. And Gortat is no Dwight, but it's something he can do.

He's also a good rebounder. Nearly 4RPG in under 16 minutes is a pretty good pace. Not great, and it doesn't make him a specialist, but we're also doing all right on the boards right now, so I don't know if we need that necessarily. We do need help in terms of post D and with shotblocking. Gortat would be our best shotblocker, and more importantly for us, would give us some much needed post D. He's good at both of those things, and those are really two different things.

[pillwenney]

bdgking, enough with the personal stuff.

[dozencousins]

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